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From: JLA on 2 Feb 2010 18:31
Here's Toyota's line: its two recalls for floormats and sticking
accelerator pedals should cover all potential cases of sudden
unintended acceleration in its batch of recalled vehicles. Both
recalls are for mechanical issues, and Toyota spokesman John Hanson
claims, "After man years of exhaustive testing we have not found
any evidence of an electronic [software] problem that would have led
to unwanted acceleration."

Enter Steve Wozniak, co-founder of Apple and a jolly guy who knows a
thing or two about software. While speaking at the Discovery Forum
2010, the Woz claimed that his 2010 Prius, which is not a part of
either recall, has an accelerator that "goes wild but only under
certain conditions of cruise control." He also claimed that it's
repeatable. Though Woz said he has tried to contact both Toyota and
the National Highway Traffic Safety Institute, neither has reportedly
investigated his claim.

Why is this news? Because despite Toyota's claim that any potential
risk for sudden unintentional acceleration in its recalled vehicles
is mechanically related, there are lingering reports of other cases,
including ones involving vehicles not affected by either recall, that
could be software-related. Proving that software caused an instance of
sudden acceleration is tricky, so the fact that Woz claims he can
repeat the issue makes his case appear to be one worth investigating.

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From: ransley on 3 Feb 2010 07:59
On Feb 2, 5:31 pm, i...(a)jlaenterprises-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (JLA)
wrote:
> Here's Toyota's line: its two recalls for floormats and sticking
> accelerator pedals should cover all potential cases of sudden
> unintended acceleration in its batch of recalled vehicles. Both
> recalls are for mechanical issues, and Toyota spokesman John Hanson
> claims, "After man years of exhaustive testing we have not found
> any evidence of an electronic [software] problem that would have led
> to unwanted acceleration."
>
> Enter Steve Wozniak, co-founder of Apple and a jolly guy who knows a
> thing or two about software. While speaking at the Discovery Forum
> 2010, the Woz claimed that his 2010 Prius, which is not a part of
> either recall, has an accelerator that "goes wild but only under
> certain conditions of cruise control." He also claimed that it's
> repeatable. Though Woz said he has tried to contact both Toyota and
> the National Highway Traffic Safety Institute, neither has reportedly
> investigated his claim.
>
> Why is this news? Because despite Toyota's claim that any potential
> risk for sudden unintentional acceleration in its recalled vehicles
> is mechanically related, there are lingering reports of other cases,
> including ones involving vehicles not affected by either recall, that
> could be software-related. Proving that software caused an instance of
> sudden acceleration is tricky, so the fact that Woz claims he can
> repeat the issue makes his case appear to be one worth investigating.
>
> View the attachments for this post at:http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=36803659#36803659

Today [Associated Press] I read of over 100 Prius brake complaints in
Tokyo. If the acceleration issue is electronic related this issue is
far from over and will be a giant mess. The NHSTI is looking into many
issues but wont comment untill it has completed its investigation.
Which is the right way to do it. I cant imagine what would need to be
done if this was electronic related, the cost would be very large per
car. What I see possibly is several electronic issues or one effecting
many different systems in only specific situations.
From: gnu / linux on 3 Feb 2010 13:37
On Feb 2, 5:31 pm, i...(a)jlaenterprises-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (JLA)
wrote:
> Here's Toyota's line: its two recalls for floormats and sticking
> accelerator pedals should cover all potential cases of sudden
> unintended acceleration in its batch of recalled vehicles. Both
> recalls are for mechanical issues, and Toyota spokesman John Hanson
> claims, "After man years of exhaustive testing we have not found
> any evidence of an electronic [software] problem that would have led
> to unwanted acceleration."
>
> Enter Steve Wozniak, co-founder of Apple and a jolly guy who knows a
> thing or two about software. While speaking at the Discovery Forum
> 2010, the Woz claimed that his 2010 Prius, which is not a part of
> either recall, has an accelerator that "goes wild but only under
> certain conditions of cruise control." He also claimed that it's
> repeatable. Though Woz said he has tried to contact both Toyota and
> the National Highway Traffic Safety Institute, neither has reportedly
> investigated his claim.
>
> Why is this news? Because despite Toyota's claim that any potential
> risk for sudden unintentional acceleration in its recalled vehicles
> is mechanically related, there are lingering reports of other cases,
> including ones involving vehicles not affected by either recall, that
> could be software-related. Proving that software caused an instance of
> sudden acceleration is tricky, so the fact that Woz claims he can
> repeat the issue makes his case appear to be one worth investigating.
>
> View the attachments for this post at:http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=36803659#36803659

IMO the regenerative braking / ABS system on the 2010 Prius is less
than ideal but working as designed ...
From: ransley on 3 Feb 2010 17:50
On Feb 3, 12:37 pm, "gnu / linux" <rob.fr...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 2, 5:31 pm, i...(a)jlaenterprises-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (JLA)
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Here's Toyota's line: its two recalls for floormats and sticking
> > accelerator pedals should cover all potential cases of sudden
> > unintended acceleration in its batch of recalled vehicles. Both
> > recalls are for mechanical issues, and Toyota spokesman John Hanson
> > claims, "After man years of exhaustive testing we have not found
> > any evidence of an electronic [software] problem that would have led
> > to unwanted acceleration."
>
> > Enter Steve Wozniak, co-founder of Apple and a jolly guy who knows a
> > thing or two about software. While speaking at the Discovery Forum
> > 2010, the Woz claimed that his 2010 Prius, which is not a part of
> > either recall, has an accelerator that "goes wild but only under
> > certain conditions of cruise control." He also claimed that it's
> > repeatable. Though Woz said he has tried to contact both Toyota and
> > the National Highway Traffic Safety Institute, neither has reportedly
> > investigated his claim.
>
> > Why is this news? Because despite Toyota's claim that any potential
> > risk for sudden unintentional acceleration in its recalled vehicles
> > is mechanically related, there are lingering reports of other cases,
> > including ones involving vehicles not affected by either recall, that
> > could be software-related. Proving that software caused an instance of
> > sudden acceleration is tricky, so the fact that Woz claims he can
> > repeat the issue makes his case appear to be one worth investigating.
>
> > View the attachments for this post at:http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=36803659#36803659
>
> IMO the regenerative braking / ABS system on the 2010 Prius is less
> than ideal but working as designed ...- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Working as designed. Until it fails, you cant stop and hit something.
So its not working as designed, nor is Steve Wozniaks prius, who out
of all complainants is the only one that to me proves somethings
wrong. He said on tv today he has been ignored by Toyota and HTSB, he
wont ignored anymore, I bet he is world news tonight, the Apple genius.
From: JLA on 3 Feb 2010 18:03

> JLA wrote:
> Here's Toyota's line: its two recalls for floormats and sticking
accelerator pedals should cover all potential cases of sudden
unintended acceleration in its batch of recalled vehicles. Both
recalls are for mechanical issues, and Toyota spokesman John Hanson
claims, "After man years of exhaustive testing we have not found
any evidence of an electronic [software] problem that would have led
to unwanted acceleration."
>
> Enter Steve Wozniak, co-founder of Apple and a jolly guy who knows
a thing or two about software. While speaking at the Discovery Forum
2010, the Woz claimed that his 2010 Prius, which is not a part of
either recall, has an accelerator that "goes wild but only under
certain conditions of cruise control." He also claimed that it's
repeatable. Though Woz said he has tried to contact both Toyota and
the National Highway Traffic Safety Institute, neither has reportedly
investigated his claim.
>
> Why is this news? Because despite Toyota's claim that any potential
risk for sudden unintentional acceleration in its recalled vehicles is
mechanically related, there are lingering reports of other cases,
including ones involving vehicles not affected by either recall, that
could be software-related. Proving that software caused an instance of
sudden acceleration is tricky, so the fact that Woz claims he can
repeat the issue makes his case appear to be one worth
investigating.

Steve Wozniak update about his problems with
his beloved Toyota Prius, its faulty acceleration software, and his
problems reporting this to both Toyota and the National Highway
Traffic Safety Administration. He's frustrated, and completely
right.

" Here's the latest news I just got.

Once again, thanks for your time. We called Toyota with your
issue, and so far the spokesperson's comment is that they haven't
heard anything to do with cruise control in Priuses. The story is
still in edits, and if and when it runs, I will email you a copy at
this address.

This response is what I've been coming up against for 2 months,
and it doesn't indicate that I'll even be contacted about my problem.
I sure am thankful now for the good attention I get at the normal
Genius bars!
"

Then he added this about how frustrating the whole process is:

" I have expensive cars but prefer to drive my Segway and
Prius's for many reasons. I have had many models of Prius and enough
family members and staff to keep them all in use.

I have a very busy schedule and I'm usually free at midnight to
deal with things like this. The NHTSA online reporting form doesn't
fit my case. It asks things like the date of an accident. On the
phone they refer me to a second number. At that number they need my
VIN and mileage before they'll listen. The person on the phone sounds
like a typical very low paid clerk who can ask specific questions to
type things into a database, and have no interest in the urgency and
connection of my problem to the crashes/deaths/recalls/halted sales.
In fact, they make it clear that they are just taking data and not
doing anything themselves to remedy a safety issue. That's the
government.

Toyota is difficult too, but after some phone calls I managed to
express some of my situation. Unfortunately my iPhone dropped the
calls twice and I never got a reference number but they may have some
sort of ticket open.

It's been 2 months trying to have all the data and freedom, trying
to get to someone high enough up to give this some attention. You
can't easily find phone numbers to companies online. I'd give
anything to have had the phone number of Toyota's legal department.
They'll see that I stated my discovery in writing 2 months ago but a
local dealer couldn't understand the significance of it and sort of
thought my wife was nuts. I was out of town, as usual, at that time.
It's not easy to be heard on something like this. But today I
addressed an education group (Sausalito Discovery Museum) and somehow
a brief form of this story came out and I believe that someone there
contacted CNET.

Tonight I heard from Bloomberg news in Asia that they are
following up on it with a story and that they will contact Toyota
directly about it. I wouldn't be surprised to get a call from Toyota
tomorrow, but I'll be on the road in that car all day.

No, my problem is not deadly. It's not a sticky accelerator pedal,
for sure. It's sticky acceleration that is scary the first time but
has a good work-around. "

Isn't it amazing that someone�being Steve Wozniak or John Doe�is
having these problems, and nobody in the company is doing anything
about it, pronto. It may not be deadly, as the Woz puts it, but two
months to get a response from a car company on an issue that affects
the safety of their cars is inexcusable.

WAY TO GO TOYOTA

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