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From: SMS on 4 Dec 2009 09:47
Jeff Strickland wrote:

> There is not a car in America with a 3000 mile change interval. there hasn't
> been for going on 25 years.

Actually, Saturn was recommending 3000 mile oil changes, with dealers
tearing the non-severe service pages out of the manual. However it
wasn't because the oil actually needed changing at 3000 miles. There
were two reasons. First, many of the engines were notorious oil burners
and someone that went 6000 miles without checking their oil would likely
have almost no oil left by the time it was due for an oil change.
Second, there was a problem with the timing chain tensioner which
depended on oil pressure to ratchet up, and oil that had built up the
normal particulates could contaminate the timing chain tensioner bore.
It was rather amusing to see so many proclamations about how great
Saturns were because they used a steel chain instead of a "rubber" belt,
but in reality a timing belt, changed at the proper intervals, is much
more reliable than a timing chain which has no periodic replacement.
From: Jeff Strickland on 4 Dec 2009 13:01

"SMS" <scharf.steven(a)geemail.com> wrote in message
news:4b1920ed$0$1597$742ec2ed(a)news.sonic.net...
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
>> There is not a car in America with a 3000 mile change interval. there
>> hasn't been for going on 25 years.
>
> Actually, Saturn was recommending 3000 mile oil changes, with dealers
> tearing the non-severe service pages out of the manual. However it wasn't
> because the oil actually needed changing at 3000 miles. There were two
> reasons. First, many of the engines were notorious oil burners and someone
> that went 6000 miles without checking their oil would likely have almost
> no oil left by the time it was due for an oil change. Second, there was a
> problem with the timing chain tensioner which depended on oil pressure to
> ratchet up, and oil that had built up the normal particulates could
> contaminate the timing chain tensioner bore. It was rather amusing to see
> so many proclamations about how great Saturns were because they used a
> steel chain instead of a "rubber" belt, but in reality a timing belt,
> changed at the proper intervals, is much more reliable than a timing chain
> which has no periodic replacement.



Okay, I give. There are a few corner cases where the oil has to be changed
on a very short interval, but that does not mean that the industry standard
should be to change all oin on a very short interval.

PS
I discount an interval that is necessitated by the lack of checking the oil
level once in a while. That response simply throws the case tighter into the
corner.



From: larry moe 'n curly on 5 Dec 2009 09:27


Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B wrote:
>
> Toyota has ALWAYS recommended 7,500 miles.

In the US? Are you sure?

1986 manual:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2424/4159607021_b30b2f3303.jpg


maintenance schedule, normal conditions (10,000 miles, 12 months):

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2647/4160362110_d8ea2473dc_b.jpg


maintenance schedule, severe conditions (5,000 miles, 12 months):

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2594/4159607407_910a7e3b14_b.jpg

From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 5 Dec 2009 10:25
On Sat, 05 Dec 2009 06:27:13 -0800, larry moe 'n curly wrote:

>
>
> Hachiroku ハチロク wrote:
>>
>> Toyota has ALWAYS recommended 7,500 miles.
>
> In the US? Are you sure?
>
> 1986 manual:
>
> http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2424/4159607021_b30b2f3303.jpg
>
>
> maintenance schedule, normal conditions (10,000 miles, 12 months):
>
> http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2647/4160362110_d8ea2473dc_b.jpg
>
>
> maintenance schedule, severe conditions (5,000 miles, 12 months):
>
> http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2594/4159607407_910a7e3b14_b.jpg


I guess the only one I ever really read cover to cover was the '74 Corolla...

Interesting that's an '86 manual. I'll have to get the manual from my '85
86 and check it...


From: larry moe 'n curly on 5 Dec 2009 10:56


Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B wrote:
>
> On Sat, 05 Dec 2009 06:27:13 -0800, larry moe 'n curly wrote:
>
> Toyota has ALWAYS recommended 7,500 miles.
>
> > In the US? Are you sure?
> >
> > 1986 manual:
> > http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2424/4159607021_b30b2f3303.jpg
> >
> > maintenance schedule, normal conditions (10,000 miles, 12 months):
> > http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2647/4160362110_d8ea2473dc_b.jpg
> >
> > maintenance schedule, severe conditions (5,000 miles, 12 months):
> > http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2594/4159607407_910a7e3b14_b.jpg
>
> I guess the only one I ever really read cover to cover was the '74 Corolla...
>
> Interesting that's an '86 manual. I'll have to get the manual from my '85
> 86 and check it...

I'm wondering if your '85 manual has the same misprints as the '86
book does:

1. In the section about the front suspension, an exploded diagram of
the wheel assembly says that the bolts for the brake caliper sliders
should be torqued to 65 ft.-lbs., but in the chapter for the brakes it
says the torque should be 18 ft.-lbs. I didn't break the bolt, but I
replaced it anyway. :(

2. The chapter about the A/C has a graph showing the acceptable
temperature differences between inlet and outlet air at various levels
of humidity, and they convert Celcius temperature differences to
Fahrenheit by multiplying by 1.8 and then adding 32F. IOW all the
Fahrenheit temperature differences are 32F too much.

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