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From: Michael on 18 Mar 2010 18:42
On Mar 18, 2:52 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstr...(a)frontiernet.net>
wrote:
> "Michael" <mrdarr...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:cfebfc3f-2320-4083-9883-3059814a328a(a)u5g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 18, 2:17 pm, "Obveeus" <Obve...(a)aol.com> wrote:
>
> > Black box data suggests that 56 year old driver never touched the brake
> > before hitting block
> > wall.http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/york-runaway-prius-case-driver-error/st...
>
> Oh no!  Not only may Toyota vehicles suddenly accelerate, but the
> onboard computer systems may be faulty as well (not holding records of
> braking)?
> ===============
>
> Even worse: The cars might contain drivers who are as dangerously average as
> those contained by cars made by all other manufacturers.


Hard to prove. It takes brainpower to 1) know of the existence of
Consumer Reports; 2) read it, either at the library or by
subscription; 3) buy the vehicles it recommends. Toyota came out on
top on several occasions.

Michael
From: JoeSpareBedroom on 18 Mar 2010 18:46
"Michael" <mrdarrett(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Mar 18, 2:52 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstr...(a)frontiernet.net>
wrote:
> "Michael" <mrdarr...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:cfebfc3f-2320-4083-9883-3059814a328a(a)u5g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 18, 2:17 pm, "Obveeus" <Obve...(a)aol.com> wrote:
>
> > Black box data suggests that 56 year old driver never touched the brake
> > before hitting block
> > wall.http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/york-runaway-prius-case-driver-error/st...
>
> Oh no! Not only may Toyota vehicles suddenly accelerate, but the
> onboard computer systems may be faulty as well (not holding records of
> braking)?
> ===============
>
> Even worse: The cars might contain drivers who are as dangerously average
> as
> those contained by cars made by all other manufacturers.


Hard to prove. It takes brainpower to 1) know of the existence of
Consumer Reports; 2) read it, either at the library or by
subscription; 3) buy the vehicles it recommends. Toyota came out on
top on several occasions.

Michael

==========

"Library? What's a library?"


From: Michael on 18 Mar 2010 19:09
On Mar 18, 3:46 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstr...(a)frontiernet.net>
wrote:
> "Michael" <mrdarr...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:0e371120-65f0-4dd3-b0e7-8a5518de30f7(a)t34g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 18, 2:52 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstr...(a)frontiernet.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Michael" <mrdarr...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:cfebfc3f-2320-4083-9883-3059814a328a(a)u5g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> > On Mar 18, 2:17 pm, "Obveeus" <Obve...(a)aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > Black box data suggests that 56 year old driver never touched the brake
> > > before hitting block
> > > wall.http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/york-runaway-prius-case-driver-error/st...
>
> > Oh no! Not only may Toyota vehicles suddenly accelerate, but the
> > onboard computer systems may be faulty as well (not holding records of
> > braking)?
> > ===============
>
> > Even worse: The cars might contain drivers who are as dangerously average
> > as
> > those contained by cars made by all other manufacturers.
>
> Hard to prove.  It takes brainpower to 1) know of the existence of
> Consumer Reports;  2) read it, either at the library or by
> subscription;  3) buy the vehicles it recommends.  Toyota came out on
> top on several occasions.
>
> Michael
>
> ==========
>
> "Library? What's a library?"


A place where you can save LOTS of money on magazines, books and
movies! :p
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 19 Mar 2010 00:37
On Thu, 18 Mar 2010 15:42:33 -0700, Michael wrote:

> On Mar 18, 2:52 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstr...(a)frontiernet.net> wrote:
>> "Michael" <mrdarr...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:cfebfc3f-2320-4083-9883-3059814a328a(a)u5g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>> On Mar 18, 2:17 pm, "Obveeus" <Obve...(a)aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Black box data suggests that 56 year old driver never touched the
>> > brake before hitting block
>> > wall.http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/york-runaway-prius-case-driver-error/st...
>>
>> Oh no!  Not only may Toyota vehicles suddenly accelerate, but the
>> onboard computer systems may be faulty as well (not holding records of
>> braking)?
>> ===============
>>
>> Even worse: The cars might contain drivers who are as dangerously
>> average as those contained by cars made by all other manufacturers.
>
>
> Hard to prove. It takes brainpower to 1) know of the existence of
> Consumer Reports; 2) read it, either at the library or by subscription;
> 3) buy the vehicles it recommends. Toyota came out on top on several
> occasions.
>
> Michael


Owner's manuals are even better reading material. They may even tell
someone how to get the car in Neutral in the event of an emergency.


From: C. E. White on 19 Mar 2010 17:39
U.S. says driver error possible in N.Y. Prius crash

Automotive News -- March 19, 2010 - 12:01 am ET

WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- U.S. safety officials say driver error may be behind
the New York crash of a Toyota Prius that has been investigated as a
possible case of unintended acceleration.

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration said that an analysis of
the 2005 hybrid's "black box" data recorder found no braking just before it
hit a stone wall in the Westchester County town of Harrison on March 9. The
agency also said the throttle was "wide open," prompting investigators to
suspect the gas pedal may have been inadvertently applied instead of the
brake.
.....
Data recorder

The data recorder captures speed, braking, throttle position and other
parameters in the seconds just before and after a crash.

In the New York crash, a 56-year-old woman pulling out of a driveway zoomed
across a busy street and into a wall, knocking out some large boulders.

The woman, a housekeeper who was not identified, sustained a knee injury,
according to a report filed with NHTSA's consumer complaint database.

Police said floor mats were not a factor in the New York case, which
followed a more widely publicized incident a day earlier.
.....
Read more:
http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100319/OEM/100319887/1290#ixzz0if1zt47m

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