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From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 6 Feb 2010 00:14
On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 23:31:54 -0500, FridoLay wrote:

> On 2/5/2010 10:27 PM, Hachiroku ハチロク wrote:
>> On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 20:13:12 -0700, WW wrote:
>>
>>
>>> "Hachiroku ????"<Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message
>>> news:pan.2010.02.06.00.24.40.227518(a)e86.GTS...
>>>> It's worse when you notice it's a CAMRY!!!
>>>
>>> Would not that be better than a fully loaded Semi? ww
>>
>> Depends if it has a CTS gas pedal...
>>
>>
>>
> Let's not forget they were 'Made to Toyota specifications'.

How much of a spec can you have for a gas pedal?
And they were made in China. I wonder how much lead they have in them.

The Denso pedals were "made to Toyota specifications", too but they arent
affected.


From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 6 Feb 2010 10:52
On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 23:31:54 -0500, FridoLay wrote:

> On 2/5/2010 10:27 PM, Hachiroku ハチロク wrote:
>> On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 20:13:12 -0700, WW wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Hachiroku ????"<Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message
>>> news:pan.2010.02.06.00.24.40.227518(a)e86.GTS...
>>>> It's worse when you notice it's a CAMRY!!!
>>>
>>> Would not that be better than a fully loaded Semi? ww
>>
>> Depends if it has a CTS gas pedal...
>>
>>
>>
> Let's not forget they were 'Made to Toyota specifications'.


It's unfortunate that in order to be classified a US made car, they farmed
out things to people who farmed them out to people who had them made in
China at the lowest possible cost.

This is NOT a Toyota issue, or a Toyota design issue. It falls on the
manufacturer for the accelerator pedal, who tried to save a few pennies by
having it made i China, and then approving the Chinese made part.

If you knew anything about Manufacturing, you'd know Toyota puts the onus
on the suppliers to make sure the part is correct. They 'sample' the first
few units; if these pass an incoming inspection then they are marked
acceptable and approved for use. From there on, a sampling system is used
based on the initial quality of the sample. If a flaw was found during
receiving inspection, then the sampling rate goes up, up to 100%.

CTS probably made their first few thousand accelerators in the US, using
better quality materials. After the initial inspection was done, and
subsequent inspections of pieces received later, they may have been
'waived' from any further inspection. At some point CTS probably got the
bright idea that they could save a few pennies per unit by having them
made in China (remember, this goes back years). Their people approved the
Chinese made unit, and passed it to Toyota. Now, if they never TOLD Toyota
they were having thier manufacturing done elsewhere, Toyota would still be
operating on the original unit inspection where CTS got their Valued
Supplier rating and probably were not inspecting the pedals further. So
now they're installing Chinese made pedals that are using inferior
materials thinking they're still OEM CTS parts.

Scary enough when applied to Toyota. NOW apply this to aircraft equipment
manufacturers. I know, we did it at an OEN A/C manufacturer where I used
to work.

Fly much?


From: Clive on 6 Feb 2010 11:19
In message <pan.2010.02.06.15.52.51.123665(a)e86.GTS>,
=?iso-2022-jp?q?Hachiroku_=1B$B%O%A%m%=2F=1B=28B?= <Trueno(a)e86.GTS>
writes
>CTS probably made their first few thousand accelerators in the US, using
>better quality materials. After the initial inspection was done, and
>subsequent inspections of pieces received later, they may have been
>'waived' from any further inspection. At some point CTS probably got the
>bright idea that they could save a few pennies per unit by having them
>made in China (remember, this goes back years). Their people approved the
>Chinese made unit, and passed it to Toyota. Now, if they never TOLD Toyota
>they were having thier manufacturing done elsewhere, Toyota would still be
>operating on the original unit inspection where CTS got their Valued
>Supplier rating and probably were not inspecting the pedals further. So
>now they're installing Chinese made pedals that are using inferior
>materials thinking they're still OEM CTS parts.
I know the authorities in the UK regularly reject Chinese made stuff
because of inferior workmanship or lead in paint or whatever.
--
Clive

From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 6 Feb 2010 11:55
On Sat, 06 Feb 2010 16:19:34 +0000, Clive wrote:

> In message <pan.2010.02.06.15.52.51.123665(a)e86.GTS>,
> =?iso-2022-jp?q?Hachiroku_=1B$B%O%A%m%=2F=1B=28B?= <Trueno(a)e86.GTS>
> writes
>>CTS probably made their first few thousand accelerators in the US, using
>>better quality materials. After the initial inspection was done, and
>>subsequent inspections of pieces received later, they may have been
>>'waived' from any further inspection. At some point CTS probably got the
>>bright idea that they could save a few pennies per unit by having them
>>made in China (remember, this goes back years). Their people approved the
>>Chinese made unit, and passed it to Toyota. Now, if they never TOLD Toyota
>>they were having thier manufacturing done elsewhere, Toyota would still be
>>operating on the original unit inspection where CTS got their Valued
>>Supplier rating and probably were not inspecting the pedals further. So
>>now they're installing Chinese made pedals that are using inferior
>>materials thinking they're still OEM CTS parts.
> I know the authorities in the UK regularly reject Chinese made stuff
> because of inferior workmanship or lead in paint or whatever.


THis is a double-edged sword.

Here in the US, they got caught because they were using lead paint in
children's toys, and these are subjected to higher scrutiny than other
consumer products.

THEN they got caught adding a 'filler' to infant formula that can cause
death!

I use an electronic cigarette. They are ALL made in China! I can only hope
they don't use lead in the manufacture of these things! There are no US
manufacturers, there are some that say, "Assembled in the USA". That means
they take the Chinese made battery unit, attach a Chinese made atomizer,
fill the carts with Chinese made vapor liquid, and package it up.

Scary: when the FDA tested Chinese made e cigs to see wht kinds of
chemicals they emitted, they found a few carcinogens from tobacco based
or flavored juice that contained nicotine, and in one sample they
discovered DEG (diethylene glycol), a toxin, which means the manufacturer
was using antifreeze grade propylene glycol in their juice!!!

I buy US made juice only...


From: in2dadark on 6 Feb 2010 15:32
On Feb 6, 11:55 am, Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B <Tru...(a)e86.GTS> wrote:
> On Sat, 06 Feb 2010 16:19:34 +0000, Clive wrote:
> > In message <pan.2010.02.06.15.52.51.123...(a)e86.GTS>,
> > =?iso-2022-jp?q?Hachiroku_=1B$B%O%A%m%=2F=1B=28B?= <Tru...(a)e86.GTS>
> > writes
> >>CTS probably made their first few thousand accelerators in the US, using
> >>better quality materials. After the initial inspection was done, and
> >>subsequent inspections of pieces received later, they may have been
> >>'waived' from any further inspection. At some point CTS probably got the
> >>bright idea that they could save a few pennies per unit by having them
> >>made in China (remember, this goes back years). Their people approved the
> >>Chinese made unit, and passed it to Toyota. Now, if they never TOLD Toyota
> >>they were having thier manufacturing done elsewhere, Toyota would still be
> >>operating on the original unit inspection where CTS got their Valued
> >>Supplier rating and probably were not inspecting the pedals further. So
> >>now they're installing Chinese made pedals that are using inferior
> >>materials thinking they're still OEM CTS parts.
> > I know the authorities in the UK regularly reject Chinese made stuff
> > because of inferior workmanship or lead in paint or whatever.
>
> THis is a double-edged sword.
>
> Here in the US, they got caught because they were using lead paint in
> children's toys, and these are subjected to higher scrutiny than other
> consumer products.
>
> THEN they got caught adding a 'filler' to infant formula that can cause
> death!
>
> I use an electronic cigarette. They are ALL made in China! I can only hope
> they don't use lead in the manufacture of these things! There are no US
> manufacturers, there are some that say, "Assembled in the USA". That means
> they take the Chinese made battery unit, attach a Chinese made atomizer,
> fill the carts with Chinese made vapor liquid, and package it up.
>
> Scary: when the FDA tested Chinese made e cigs to see wht kinds of
> chemicals they emitted, they found a few carcinogens from tobacco based
> or flavored juice that contained nicotine, and in one sample they
> discovered DEG (diethylene glycol), a toxin, which means the manufacturer
> was using antifreeze grade propylene glycol in their juice!!!
>
> I buy US made juice only...- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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