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From: Jeff Strickland on 13 Apr 2010 20:48

"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 18:29:21 -0500, dbu'' wrote:
>
>> In article <4bc4f6cd$0$16504$ce5e7886(a)news-radius.ptd.net>,
>> "Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2(a)lycos,com> wrote:
>>
>>> What are you going to do now that C. R. is changing its opinion of
>>> Toyota as to the reliability of the cars and in addition recommending
>>> the one NOT buy a Lexus?
>>>
>>> Seems the so called superior Toyota engineers, besides their gas peddle
>>> and microprocessor problems, have designed a defective yaw control
>>> system for it that is causing their very high priced SUV to roll over.
>>> ;)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> How many rolled over and why? Definitive proof please.
>
> Well, in the Consumer Report's test they showed on TV, one almost rolled
> over. Well, it came close to rolling over. Kinda. But the Yaw contorl
> kicked in and kept it from rolling over.
>
>

I saw that on TV too, but the bottom line is that CR is convinced that the
Lexus SUV is a Don't Buy. I think that had the driver not steered into the
slide, the SUV would have been on it's side. CR thinks of what real-world
drivers are likely to do, and they think the Lexus would have rolled had the
test driver driven as most of us would drive. Basically, CR says that most
of us would make a radical adjustment to the steering and cause the roll
over conditions, and the Yaw Control is supposed to counter by applying
brake to one side and gas to the other, and this did not happen.

Given the space available in a roadway situation, that SUV would not have
fared well at the hands of most drivers, and this is what CR is concerned
about. Cleary the test driver overdrove the yaw control system. Just because
the car did not roll does not mean the yaw control did its job.









From: Jeff Strickland on 13 Apr 2010 22:35

"dbu''" <nospam(a)nobama.com.invalid> wrote in message
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> In article <hq2vd1$gjs$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>,
> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrjeff(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> "Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2(a)lycos,com> wrote in message
>> news:4bc4f6cd$0$16504$ce5e7886(a)news-radius.ptd.net...
>> > What are you going to do now that C. R. is changing its opinion of
>> > Toyota
>> > as to the reliability of the cars and in addition recommending the one
>> > NOT
>> > buy a Lexus?
>> >
>> > Seems the so called superior Toyota engineers, besides their gas peddle
>> > and microprocessor problems, have designed a defective yaw control
>> > system
>> > for it that is causing their very high priced SUV to roll over. ;)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> To be fair, the Yaw Control is only causing the Lexus to NOT roll over.
>> The
>> roll over event happens, and Yaw Control is supposed to get it under
>> control, but does not. The roll over event isn't _caused_ by the Yaw
>> Control, it is only not prevented by the Yaw Control, making one wonder
>> what
>> the Yaw Control really does since it does not control yaw.
>
> In my opinion, the auto mfgs are trying to make these vehicles too safe
> with all that automatic shix. Drivers are duh with it all.


Somewhere along the line, we went from government protecting us from
exploding gas tanks to making sure that cars can't be tipped over if we
swerve beyond the limits of physical science.

While it's nice if we can defeat the laws of physics, or exploit those laws
to our advantage, is it a function of government to do that, or should
manufacturers try to do it because it gives them an edge over the others?








From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 13 Apr 2010 22:36
On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 20:09:28 -0400, Mike Hunter wrote:

> Apparently some Toyota buyers must, the new Sienna has copied EVERYTHING
> it has available from Chrysler ;)

Hey, Mike, if you follow this newgroup, you know I like Chrysler minivans.
I was impressed when my wife bought the first one, a '92, in 1994.

Problem is, I just can't seem to get away from '92s. I bought another one
in November. Number 4. I like them because the rear is like a truck and
you can pack them full. The new ones have gotten back to the boxy style of
the old ones, so I'll wait a few years and get an '09 or so.

The 96-200X models were too 'rounded' in the interiors for my use.

>
>
> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message
> news:hq30e3$rtv$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
>> On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 19:28:28 -0400, Mike Hunter wrote:
>>
>>> Why do you allow your wife to do that when you kids are in the car?
>>
>> I don't. We had a Caravan and no cell phone.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> "Hachiroku" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message
>>> news:pan.2010.04.14.03.01.16.16000(a)e86.GTS...
>>>> On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 18:56:39 -0400, Mike Hunter wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What are you going to do now that C. R. is changing its opinion of
>>>>> Toyota as
>>>>> to the reliability of the cars and in addition recommending the one
>>>>> NOT buy
>>>>> a Lexus?
>>>>
>>>> I won't buy one! I donj't like SUVs anyway, especially when you have a
>>>> soccer mom with a cell phone plastered to her ear piloting 4,000
>>>> pounds of steel and aluminum.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Seems the so called superior Toyota engineers, besides their gas
>>>>> peddle and
>>>>> microprocessor problems, have designed a defective yaw control system
>>>>> for it
>>>>> that is causing their very high priced SUV to roll over. ;)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>

From: charlesgrozny on 13 Apr 2010 23:31

"Jeff Strickland" <crwlrjeff(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2(a)lycos,com> wrote in message
> news:4bc4f6cd$0$16504$ce5e7886(a)news-radius.ptd.net...
>> What are you going to do now that C. R. is changing its opinion of Toyota
>> as to the reliability of the cars and in addition recommending the one
>> NOT buy a Lexus?
>>
>> Seems the so called superior Toyota engineers, besides their gas peddle
>> and microprocessor problems, have designed a defective yaw control system
>> for it that is causing their very high priced SUV to roll over. ;)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> To be fair, the Yaw Control is only causing the Lexus to NOT roll over.
> The roll over event happens, and Yaw Control is supposed to get it under
> control, but does not. The roll over event isn't _caused_ by the Yaw
> Control, it is only not prevented by the Yaw Control, making one wonder
> what the Yaw Control really does since it does not control yaw.
>
>
>
>
>
>

Why on earth would I need a control for Swedish matches on any vehicle? And
why is anyone driving a vehicle so hard that it wants to act like a dog and
roll over?

Charles Grozny

PS, what does a Swedish match say when you light it?


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