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From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 13 Apr 2010 19:59
On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 18:29:21 -0500, dbu'' wrote:

> In article <4bc4f6cd$0$16504$ce5e7886(a)news-radius.ptd.net>,
> "Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2(a)lycos,com> wrote:
>
>> What are you going to do now that C. R. is changing its opinion of
>> Toyota as to the reliability of the cars and in addition recommending
>> the one NOT buy a Lexus?
>>
>> Seems the so called superior Toyota engineers, besides their gas peddle
>> and microprocessor problems, have designed a defective yaw control
>> system for it that is causing their very high priced SUV to roll over.
>> ;)
>>
>>
>>
> How many rolled over and why? Definitive proof please.

Well, in the Consumer Report's test they showed on TV, one almost rolled
over. Well, it came close to rolling over. Kinda. But the Yaw contorl
kicked in and kept it from rolling over.



From: Mike Hunter on 13 Apr 2010 19:59
You will need to ask C. R. they are the ones that are advising buyers not to
buy the Lexus.


"dbu''" <nospam(a)nobama.com.invalid> wrote in message
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> In article <4bc4f6cd$0$16504$ce5e7886(a)news-radius.ptd.net>,
> "Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2(a)lycos,com> wrote:
>
>> What are you going to do now that C. R. is changing its opinion of Toyota
>> as
>> to the reliability of the cars and in addition recommending the one NOT
>> buy
>> a Lexus?
>>
>> Seems the so called superior Toyota engineers, besides their gas peddle
>> and
>> microprocessor problems, have designed a defective yaw control system for
>> it
>> that is causing their very high priced SUV to roll over. ;)
>>
>>
>
> How many rolled over and why? Definitive proof please.
> --
>


From: Mike Hunter on 13 Apr 2010 20:01
Apparently the one on the Lexus does not, it appears. Hence the advisory
from C.R.


"Jeff Strickland" <crwlrjeff(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2(a)lycos,com> wrote in message
> news:4bc4f6cd$0$16504$ce5e7886(a)news-radius.ptd.net...
>> What are you going to do now that C. R. is changing its opinion of Toyota
>> as to the reliability of the cars and in addition recommending the one
>> NOT buy a Lexus?
>>
>> Seems the so called superior Toyota engineers, besides their gas peddle
>> and microprocessor problems, have designed a defective yaw control system
>> for it that is causing their very high priced SUV to roll over. ;)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> To be fair, the Yaw Control is only causing the Lexus to NOT roll over.
> The roll over event happens, and Yaw Control is supposed to get it under
> control, but does not. The roll over event isn't _caused_ by the Yaw
> Control, it is only not prevented by the Yaw Control, making one wonder
> what the Yaw Control really does since it does not control yaw.
>
>
>
>
>
>


From: Mike Hunter on 13 Apr 2010 20:09
Apparently some Toyota buyers must, the new Sienna has copied EVERYTHING
it has available from Chrysler ;)


"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 19:28:28 -0400, Mike Hunter wrote:
>
>> Why do you allow your wife to do that when you kids are in the car?
>
> I don't. We had a Caravan and no cell phone.
>
>>
>>
>> "Hachiroku" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message
>> news:pan.2010.04.14.03.01.16.16000(a)e86.GTS...
>>> On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 18:56:39 -0400, Mike Hunter wrote:
>>>
>>>> What are you going to do now that C. R. is changing its opinion of
>>>> Toyota as
>>>> to the reliability of the cars and in addition recommending the one NOT
>>>> buy
>>>> a Lexus?
>>>
>>> I won't buy one! I donj't like SUVs anyway, especially when you have a
>>> soccer mom with a cell phone plastered to her ear piloting 4,000 pounds
>>> of steel and aluminum.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Seems the so called superior Toyota engineers, besides their gas peddle
>>>> and
>>>> microprocessor problems, have designed a defective yaw control system
>>>> for it
>>>> that is causing their very high priced SUV to roll over. ;)
>>>
>>>
>


From: Jeff Strickland on 13 Apr 2010 20:38
Yaw Control or the lack of it, does not cause a roll over, it only does its
best to prevent roll over. The event itself that creates the roll over
conditions does not come from the Yaw Control. Defective or not, the Yaw
Control isn't causing anything. It might not be preventing what it is
supposed to prevent, but it's not causing anything.



"Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2(a)lycos,com> wrote in message
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> Apparently the one on the Lexus does not, it appears. Hence the advisory
> from C.R.
>
>


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