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From: ransley on 4 Mar 2010 14:54
On Mar 4, 8:52 am, Clay <c.st...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> Most likely the extraordinary hype about Toyota's problems are caused
> by the OBAMA bunch.  Chrysler and GM are both owned by the
> government.
> Can you say CONSPIRACY? More of a witch hunt aimed at smearing the
> TOYOTA brand to promote MoPAR and GM.
> Granted Toyota may have some glitches but what car company is perfect.

Hey Pinhead, if anything its the opposite, the press is whats brought
this to light not the NHTSA, dont forget Toyota hired retired NHTSA
employees that squashed investigations and Toyotas own documents Brag
how they saved hundreds of millions , its the document Mr Toyoda
"doesnt know about" "since its in English", and he went to Babson in
the US, dont post some stupid lies, learn the truth about everything.
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 4 Mar 2010 18:09
On Thu, 04 Mar 2010 06:52:45 -0800, Clay wrote:

> Most likely the extraordinary hype about Toyota's problems are caused by
> the OBAMA bunch. Chrysler and GM are both owned by the government.
> Can you say CONSPIRACY? More of a witch hunt aimed at smearing the TOYOTA
> brand to promote MoPAR and GM. Granted Toyota may have some glitches but
> what car company is perfect.

LOL! Ya THINK?!?!

Problem is, people running from Toyota are probably far more likely to go
to Ford than a company who's future looks pretty bleak as of the moment...

Have you heard the ads sponsored by GM saying the government should not
allow cheap aftermarket parts? (It may be a Massachusetts only thing...)

GM doesn't want you to be able to buy aftermarket parts made by third
parties overseas, but when a friend of mine needed a bumper for a repair
job on a GMC pickup it took three weeks to get here on a slow boat from
China...

That was an OEM GM bumper, BTW...



From: Daniel who wants to know on 4 Mar 2010 18:35
"Jeff Strickland" <crwlrjeff(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:hmooag$qfl$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
>I once had a Chevy that would go full-throttle unexpectedly, and it was the
>car -- specifically it was the Cruise Control.
>
> Driving along with the Cruise engaged, I would hit the brake for any
> number of reasons and the car would slow, but when the brake was released
> the car would go to full-throttle to Resume the set speed. The clue of
> what the problem was came when a driver pulled up in the lane next to me
> and said my brake lights did not come on. Putting two and two together --
> I slowed then let off the brake and went to full throttle -- I told the
> service department that the brake light switch on the brake pedal was not
> working properly.
>
> I don't know that Toyota has the same problem, or not, but my instinct is
> that whatever is happening is in a similar vein as what happened in my
> Chevy. I do not buy the idea that the pedal is sticking either by floor
> mats or by mechanical problems with the pedal itself. I'm leaning to a
> problem with the electronics.
>
> That's where the answer lays.
>
>
>
>
>
Back in the ye olde days when GM still used vacuum based cruise control
there was a largish vacuum hose running from the cruise servo to a normally
open valve that was held shut by the brake pedal being up. Pressing the
pedal physically opened this valve which removed the vacuum from the servo
diaphragm. I suspect that the cruise controller saw your speed dropping and
commanded WOT but that valve prevented anything from happening. Then when
the pedal was released vacuum was suddenly applied which opened the
throttle.


From: Jeff Strickland on 4 Mar 2010 19:15

"Daniel who wants to know" <me(a)here.edu> wrote in message
news:hmpg3h$rmq$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrjeff(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:hmooag$qfl$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
>>I once had a Chevy that would go full-throttle unexpectedly, and it was
>>the car -- specifically it was the Cruise Control.
>>
>> Driving along with the Cruise engaged, I would hit the brake for any
>> number of reasons and the car would slow, but when the brake was released
>> the car would go to full-throttle to Resume the set speed. The clue of
>> what the problem was came when a driver pulled up in the lane next to me
>> and said my brake lights did not come on. Putting two and two together --
>> I slowed then let off the brake and went to full throttle -- I told the
>> service department that the brake light switch on the brake pedal was not
>> working properly.
>>
>> I don't know that Toyota has the same problem, or not, but my instinct is
>> that whatever is happening is in a similar vein as what happened in my
>> Chevy. I do not buy the idea that the pedal is sticking either by floor
>> mats or by mechanical problems with the pedal itself. I'm leaning to a
>> problem with the electronics.
>>
>> That's where the answer lays.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> Back in the ye olde days when GM still used vacuum based cruise control
> there was a largish vacuum hose running from the cruise servo to a
> normally open valve that was held shut by the brake pedal being up.
> Pressing the pedal physically opened this valve which removed the vacuum
> from the servo diaphragm. I suspect that the cruise controller saw your
> speed dropping and commanded WOT but that valve prevented anything from
> happening. Then when the pedal was released vacuum was suddenly applied
> which opened the throttle.
>

You can _think_ what you want, but what really was happening was that the
Cruise was turned off while the brakes were applied, but then went to Resume
Mode as soon as the brakes were released. It had nothing to do with the
vacuum control, and everything to do with the electronics -- specifically
the brake light switch -- that turned the system off and back on. I guess I
just said the same thing as you said, but I don't care why it did what it
did, I only care that the symptom was electronic in nature not mechanically
caused by mats or binding pedal springs.

All Cruise Control systems will shut off if the brakes, or the clutch, are
applied. The Cruise system should remain off until the driver physically
presses the Resume button, or regains speed and presses the Set button. My
car -- in the failure mode -- would Resume as soon as the brakes were
released, and it didn't wait for me to press Resume or regain speed and
press Set. If I slowed to a speed below the minimum threshold -- 30-ish --
then the system would not Resume on its own because the system would drop
out altogether, as it should in that condition.




From: ransley on 5 Mar 2010 07:52
On Mar 4, 5:09 pm, Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B <Tru...(a)e86.GTS> wrote:
> On Thu, 04 Mar 2010 06:52:45 -0800, Clay wrote:
> > Most likely the extraordinary hype about Toyota's problems are caused by
> > the OBAMA bunch. Chrysler and GM are both owned by the government.
> > Can you say CONSPIRACY? More of a witch hunt aimed at smearing the TOYOTA
> > brand to promote MoPAR and GM. Granted Toyota may have some glitches but
> > what car company is perfect.
>
> LOL! Ya THINK?!?!
>
> Problem is, people running from Toyota are probably far more likely to go
> to Ford than a company who's future looks pretty bleak as of the moment...
>
> Have you heard the ads sponsored by GM saying the government should not
> allow cheap aftermarket parts? (It may be a Massachusetts only thing...)
>
> GM doesn't want you to be able to buy aftermarket parts made by third
> parties overseas, but when a friend of mine needed a bumper for a repair
> job on a GMC pickup it took three weeks to get here on a slow boat from
> China...
>
> That was an OEM GM bumper, BTW...

"LOL! Ya THINK?!?!" Get on a boat back to japan, thats where you
belong freakin Retard, the Press found it and ran hard with it. its
called Freedom of Speach. Hachiroku, paid by toyota? Even your sig
isnt in english.
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