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From: ByTor on 21 Dec 2009 18:34
In article <a01d38f7-7ca2-4443-a216-ebcd544ef6b2
@j14g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, nm5k(a)wt.net says...
>
> On Dec 21, 8:15 am, Tegger <inva...(a)invalid.inv> wrote:
> > n...(a)wt.net wrote in news:b3edd0a8-cd3f-412b-a376-
> > e5b598dd5...(a)j14g2000yqm.googlegroups.com:
> >
> > > On Dec 20, 7:07 pm, Tegger <inva...(a)invalid.inv> wrote:
> >
> > >> Regardless of what you may think about their specific policies, no
> > >> political party in a democracy can ignore the public's clamor and long
> > >> survive in power.
> >
> > > That would apply to a republic like the U.S.A. too.
> >
> > Um, I WAS referring to the USA.
> >
> > This /entire thread/ has to do with the USA.
> >
> > --
> > Tegger
>
> Sure, but the U.S.A. is *not* a democracy, it's a republic.
> There is a difference.
>
> "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America
> and to the ***republic*** for which it stands: one nation under God,
> indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFXuGIpsdE0

EXCELLENT video nm.........Something that is *VERY* lost in this
country, what the founders envisioned. Why I'm pissed off that when
congress *THRIVES* on being a *majority* & flexes its muscle to pass
legislation like they are doing now & making STUPID statements like
Pelosi did saying "we WON," I became even more concerned. Obama is
supposed to be a man of *LAW*, obviously he has forgotten that
somewhere.
From: ByTor on 21 Dec 2009 18:34
In article <Xns9CE8B3FD0299Ftegger(a)208.90.168.18>, invalid(a)invalid.inv
says...
>
> =?iso-2022-jp?q?Hachiroku_=1B$B%O%A%m%=2F=1B=28B?= <Trueno(a)e86.GTS>
> wrote in news:pan.2009.12.21.20.50.06.410081(a)e86.GTS:
>
> > On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 14:21:12 -0500, Mike Hunter wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "Tegger" <invalid(a)invalid.inv> wrote in message
> >> news:Xns9CE8855E55010tegger(a)208.90.168.18...
> >>> nm5k(a)wt.net wrote in
> >>> news:a01d38f7-7ca2-4443-a216-ebcd544ef6b2j14g2000yqm.googlegroups.co
> >>> m:
>
> >>>>>
> >>>> Sure, but the U.S.A. is *not* a democracy, it's a republic. There
> >>>> is a difference.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Tell me the difference.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >> You must have attended a public school if you do not learn the
> >> difference between a Democracy and Republic in which we live. LOL
> >
> >
> > He's a Canaidan. They're something like a Grand Duchey, if I remember
> > right... :)
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> Pretty close... When the ruling party up here has a majority, the result
> is effectively a 4 or 5 year dictatorship.
>
> Sine nobody wants to give me the "For Dummies" simplified version, I
> visited Google. And right off the top Google gave me one of my most
> respected authors, Walter Williams, with this article:
> <http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=4080>
>
> Williams says:
> "So what's the difference between republican and democratic forms of
> government? John Adams captured the essence of the difference when he
> said, "You have rights antecedent to all earthly governments; rights
> that cannot be repealed or restrained by human laws; rights derived from
> the Great Legislator of the Universe." Nothing in our Constitution
> suggests that government is a grantor of rights. Instead, government is
> a protector of rights.
>
> "In recognition that it's Congress that poses the greatest threat to our
> liberties, the framers used negative phrases against Congress throughout
> the Constitution such as: shall not abridge, infringe, deny, disparage,
> and shall not be violated, nor be denied. In a republican form of
> government, there is rule of law. All citizens, including government
> officials, are accountable to the same laws. Government power is limited
> and decentralized through a system of checks and balances. Government
> intervenes in civil society to protect its citizens against force and
> fraud but does not intervene in the cases of peaceable, voluntary
> exchange."
>
>
> It's a bit more complex than the way Williams puts it, but at least now
> I understand what "nm5k" meant to say when he draws a line between
> "democracy" and "republic".
>
> Except that if Congress and government officials are indeed the greatest
> threat, then you people most definitely DO live in a "democracy" whether
> you realize it or not, and have since about 1932. And it's become even
> more of a "democracy" since about 1965.

Excellent catch Tegger.........;0)
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 21 Dec 2009 19:02
On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 18:34:16 -0500, ByTor wrote:

> congress
> *THRIVES* on being a *majority* & flexes its muscle to pass legislation
> like they are doing now & making STUPID statements like Pelosi did saying
> "we WON,

Basically what's wrong with Congress. They got what they wanted, but
didn't check with what the *people* wanted.

All they had to do was turn on the evening news...



From: ByTor on 21 Dec 2009 19:08
In article <pan.2009.12.22.00.02.24.364029(a)e86.GTS>, Trueno(a)e86.GTS
says...
>
> On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 18:34:16 -0500, ByTor wrote:
>
> > congress
> > *THRIVES* on being a *majority* & flexes its muscle to pass legislation
> > like they are doing now & making STUPID statements like Pelosi did saying
> > "we WON,
>
> Basically what's wrong with Congress. They got what they wanted, but
> didn't check with what the *people* wanted.
>
> All they had to do was turn on the evening news...

I watched that video & read what tegger posted and it just confirmed my
anger at the treatment of *opposition* in this country by *THIS* current
administration & the *people* of the left on the outside of congress
that listen to these bozos. This *WE* are in control mentality should
*SCARE* people, its not what we are about........Oh well, people will be
people and will be *LED* when needed by sweet talking politicians.
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 21 Dec 2009 20:21
On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 19:08:01 -0500, ByTor wrote:

> This *WE* are in control mentality should *SCARE*
> people, its not what we are about

It does scare thinking people.
The Liberals love it.



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