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From: nm5k on 21 Dec 2009 12:20 On Dec 21, 8:15 am, Tegger <inva...(a)invalid.inv> wrote: > n...(a)wt.net wrote in news:b3edd0a8-cd3f-412b-a376- > e5b598dd5...(a)j14g2000yqm.googlegroups.com: > > > On Dec 20, 7:07 pm, Tegger <inva...(a)invalid.inv> wrote: > > >> Regardless of what you may think about their specific policies, no > >> political party in a democracy can ignore the public's clamor and long > >> survive in power. > > > That would apply to a republic like the U.S.A. too. > > Um, I WAS referring to the USA. > > This /entire thread/ has to do with the USA. > > -- > Tegger Sure, but the U.S.A. is *not* a democracy, it's a republic. There is a difference. "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the ***republic*** for which it stands: one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFXuGIpsdE0
From: Tegger on 21 Dec 2009 13:07 nm5k(a)wt.net wrote in news:a01d38f7-7ca2-4443-a216-ebcd544ef6b2(a)j14g2000yqm.googlegroups.com: > On Dec 21, 8:15�am, Tegger <inva...(a)invalid.inv> wrote: >> n...(a)wt.net wrote in news:b3edd0a8-cd3f-412b-a376- >> e5b598dd5...(a)j14g2000yqm.googlegroups.com: >> >> > On Dec 20, 7:07�pm, Tegger <inva...(a)invalid.inv> wrote: >> >> >> Regardless of what you may think about their specific policies, no >> >> political party in a democracy can ignore the public's clamor and >> >> long survive in power. >> >> > That would apply to a republic like the U.S.A. too. >> >> Um, I WAS referring to the USA. >> >> This /entire thread/ has to do with the USA. >> >> >> > > Sure, but the U.S.A. is *not* a democracy, it's a republic. > There is a difference. Tell me the difference. -- Tegger
From: Mike Hunter on 21 Dec 2009 14:21 You must have attended a public school if you do not learn the difference between a Democracy and Republic in which we live. LOL "Tegger" <invalid(a)invalid.inv> wrote in message news:Xns9CE8855E55010tegger(a)208.90.168.18... > nm5k(a)wt.net wrote in > news:a01d38f7-7ca2-4443-a216-ebcd544ef6b2(a)j14g2000yqm.googlegroups.com: > >> On Dec 21, 8:15 am, Tegger <inva...(a)invalid.inv> wrote: >>> n...(a)wt.net wrote in news:b3edd0a8-cd3f-412b-a376- >>> e5b598dd5...(a)j14g2000yqm.googlegroups.com: >>> >>> > On Dec 20, 7:07 pm, Tegger <inva...(a)invalid.inv> wrote: >>> >>> >> Regardless of what you may think about their specific policies, no >>> >> political party in a democracy can ignore the public's clamor and >>> >> long survive in power. >>> >>> > That would apply to a republic like the U.S.A. too. >>> >>> Um, I WAS referring to the USA. >>> >>> This /entire thread/ has to do with the USA. >>> >>> >>> >> >> Sure, but the U.S.A. is *not* a democracy, it's a republic. >> There is a difference. > > > > Tell me the difference. > > > -- > Tegger >
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 21 Dec 2009 15:50 On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 14:21:12 -0500, Mike Hunter wrote: > You must have attended a public school if you do not learn the difference > between a Democracy and Republic in which we live. LOL He's a Canaidan. They're something like a Grand Duchey, if I remember right... :) > > > > "Tegger" <invalid(a)invalid.inv> wrote in message > news:Xns9CE8855E55010tegger(a)208.90.168.18... >> nm5k(a)wt.net wrote in >> news:a01d38f7-7ca2-4443-a216-ebcd544ef6b2(a)j14g2000yqm.googlegroups.com: >> >>> On Dec 21, 8:15 am, Tegger <inva...(a)invalid.inv> wrote: >>>> n...(a)wt.net wrote in news:b3edd0a8-cd3f-412b-a376- >>>> e5b598dd5...(a)j14g2000yqm.googlegroups.com: >>>> >>>> > On Dec 20, 7:07 pm, Tegger <inva...(a)invalid.inv> wrote: >>>> >>>> >> Regardless of what you may think about their specific policies, no >>>> >> political party in a democracy can ignore the public's clamor and >>>> >> long survive in power. >>>> >>>> > That would apply to a republic like the U.S.A. too. >>>> >>>> Um, I WAS referring to the USA. >>>> >>>> This /entire thread/ has to do with the USA. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> Sure, but the U.S.A. is *not* a democracy, it's a republic. There is a >>> difference. >> >> >> >> Tell me the difference. >> >> >> -- >> Tegger >> >>
From: Tegger on 21 Dec 2009 17:42 =?iso-2022-jp?q?Hachiroku_=1B$B%O%A%m%=2F=1B=28B?= <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in news:pan.2009.12.21.20.50.06.410081(a)e86.GTS: > On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 14:21:12 -0500, Mike Hunter wrote: > >> >> >> >> "Tegger" <invalid(a)invalid.inv> wrote in message >> news:Xns9CE8855E55010tegger(a)208.90.168.18... >>> nm5k(a)wt.net wrote in >>> news:a01d38f7-7ca2-4443-a216-ebcd544ef6b2j14g2000yqm.googlegroups.co >>> m: >>>>> >>>> Sure, but the U.S.A. is *not* a democracy, it's a republic. There >>>> is a difference. >>> >>> >>> >>> Tell me the difference. >>> >>> >>> >>> >> You must have attended a public school if you do not learn the >> difference between a Democracy and Republic in which we live. LOL > > > He's a Canaidan. They're something like a Grand Duchey, if I remember > right... :) > > > Pretty close... When the ruling party up here has a majority, the result is effectively a 4 or 5 year dictatorship. Sine nobody wants to give me the "For Dummies" simplified version, I visited Google. And right off the top Google gave me one of my most respected authors, Walter Williams, with this article: <http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=4080> Williams says: "So what's the difference between republican and democratic forms of government? John Adams captured the essence of the difference when he said, "You have rights antecedent to all earthly governments; rights that cannot be repealed or restrained by human laws; rights derived from the Great Legislator of the Universe." Nothing in our Constitution suggests that government is a grantor of rights. Instead, government is a protector of rights. "In recognition that it's Congress that poses the greatest threat to our liberties, the framers used negative phrases against Congress throughout the Constitution such as: shall not abridge, infringe, deny, disparage, and shall not be violated, nor be denied. In a republican form of government, there is rule of law. All citizens, including government officials, are accountable to the same laws. Government power is limited and decentralized through a system of checks and balances. Government intervenes in civil society to protect its citizens against force and fraud but does not intervene in the cases of peaceable, voluntary exchange." It's a bit more complex than the way Williams puts it, but at least now I understand what "nm5k" meant to say when he draws a line between "democracy" and "republic". Except that if Congress and government officials are indeed the greatest threat, then you people most definitely DO live in a "democracy" whether you realize it or not, and have since about 1932. And it's become even more of a "democracy" since about 1965. -- Tegger
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