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From: Ray O on 4 Dec 2009 12:18 "Erik Peterson" <edpeters0853(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:bdfc11fe-db6c-4fda-8ba1-6e123feda01f(a)s31g2000yqs.googlegroups.com... On Dec 3, 11:26 pm, "Ray O" <rokig...(a)NOSPAMtristarassociates.com> wrote: > "Erik Peterson" <edpeters0...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:336a3363-6aac-41d7-9c9d-2162d4f6cdcb(a)m26g2000yqb.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > > Just got a 1991 toyota 4runne V6 Auto 4x4r. Guy didn't know what was > > wrong with it at all, if anything. > > > So I got it, had been sitting since april/may 09. > > > I put in a good battery and all the lights and everything work. EFI > > makes the injection sound. All lights radio heater wipers horn > > windows all that work. > > > I turn the key and there is just a little click. I dont know if it is > > just the solenoid clicking, but the engine does not turn over at all, > > doesn't really sound like the starter is engaging to the flywheel. > > > What might be my problem. Obviously want to start cheapest first. > > Just looking for ideas and suggestions. > > > Thanks in Advance. > > When did you put in the good battery? Did it sit in a discharged state for > any length of time? What is battery voltage when you get the click? > > What is the voltage at the starter solenoid when you get the click? > > -- > > Ray O > (correct punctuation to reply) I put in the battery just yesterday, after I got it home. I don't know what you mean by did it sit in a discharge state for any length of time. If you mean the old battery, then yes. ********** I was wondering if the good battery was installed in April or May and then sat in the car without being used since then. If this had been the case, the new battery would probably have lost its ability to hold a charge. Since the good battery was installed in the past few days, this is not likely to be the case. I have a volt meter, I just don't know how I would check for the voltage on the battery or the solenoid? How do I do that? Thanks! ************ Set your volt meter to the DC voltage setting, and if you need to manually set the voltage range, set it for the range that 2 volts falls into. To check voltage at the battery, touch the volt meter's red lead on the positive battery terminal, touch the black lead to the negative battery terminal, and read the battery voltage. Voltage should be over 12 volts, preferably closer to 13 volts or more. If you happen to reverse the leads and touch the red lead to the negative and the black lead to the positive battery terminal, the voltage will just read negative XX volts. To check voltage at the starter, touch the red lead to the heavy cable connected to the starter and touch the black lead to any good ground point and have someone engage the starter with the ignition key and read voltage. If you have 12 volts when someone tries to crank the starter, the starter or starter solenoid is bad. If you do not have 12 volts when someone tries to crank the starter, the problem is elsewhere in the circuit, like the ignition switch, starter relay, battery (which you would have already checked) or wiring. -- Ray O (correct punctuation to reply)
From: Erik Peterson on 6 Dec 2009 12:44 On Dec 4, 11:18 am, "Ray O" <rokig...(a)NOSPAMtristarassociates.com> wrote: > "Erik Peterson" <edpeters0...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:bdfc11fe-db6c-4fda-8ba1-6e123feda01f(a)s31g2000yqs.googlegroups.com... > On Dec 3, 11:26 pm, "Ray O" <rokig...(a)NOSPAMtristarassociates.com> > wrote: > > > > > "Erik Peterson" <edpeters0...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > >news:336a3363-6aac-41d7-9c9d-2162d4f6cdcb(a)m26g2000yqb.googlegroups.com.... > > > > Just got a 1991 toyota 4runne V6 Auto 4x4r. Guy didn't know what was > > > wrong with it at all, if anything. > > > > So I got it, had been sitting since april/may 09. > > > > I put in a good battery and all the lights and everything work. EFI > > > makes the injection sound. All lights radio heater wipers horn > > > windows all that work. > > > > I turn the key and there is just a little click. I dont know if it is > > > just the solenoid clicking, but the engine does not turn over at all, > > > doesn't really sound like the starter is engaging to the flywheel. > > > > What might be my problem. Obviously want to start cheapest first. > > > Just looking for ideas and suggestions. > > > > Thanks in Advance. > > > When did you put in the good battery? Did it sit in a discharged state for > > any length of time? What is battery voltage when you get the click? > > > What is the voltage at the starter solenoid when you get the click? > > > -- > > > Ray O > > (correct punctuation to reply) > > I put in the battery just yesterday, after I got it home. I don't > know what you mean by did it sit in a discharge state for any length > of time. If you mean the old battery, then yes. > > ********** > I was wondering if the good battery was installed in April or May and then > sat in the car without being used since then. If this had been the case, > the new battery would probably have lost its ability to hold a charge. > Since the good battery was installed in the past few days, this is not > likely to be the case. > > I have a volt meter, I just don't know how I would check for the > voltage on the battery or the solenoid? How do I do that? Thanks! > > ************ > Set your volt meter to the DC voltage setting, and if you need to manually > set the voltage range, set it for the range that 2 volts falls into. > > To check voltage at the battery, touch the volt meter's red lead on the > positive battery terminal, touch the black lead to the negative battery > terminal, and read the battery voltage. Voltage should be over 12 volts, > preferably closer to 13 volts or more. If you happen to reverse the leads > and touch the red lead to the negative and the black lead to the positive > battery terminal, the voltage will just read negative XX volts. > > To check voltage at the starter, touch the red lead to the heavy cable > connected to the starter and touch the black lead to any good ground point > and have someone engage the starter with the ignition key and read voltage. > If you have 12 volts when someone tries to crank the starter, the starter or > starter solenoid is bad. If you do not have 12 volts when someone tries to > crank the starter, the problem is elsewhere in the circuit, like the > ignition switch, starter relay, battery (which you would have already > checked) or wiring. > -- > > Ray O > (correct punctuation to reply) I forgot to mention one thing. When I did try to start it with the new battery and nothing happened, The ground wire did get pretty hot. I don't know what would be causing that, maybe you do? Thanks, Erik
From: Ray O on 6 Dec 2009 22:36
"Erik Peterson" <edpeters0853(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:dd05ee0f-ce09-4447-9cac-a27a0ac3e8b0(a)p23g2000vbl.googlegroups.com... On Dec 4, 11:18 am, "Ray O" <rokig...(a)NOSPAMtristarassociates.com> wrote: > "Erik Peterson" <edpeters0...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:bdfc11fe-db6c-4fda-8ba1-6e123feda01f(a)s31g2000yqs.googlegroups.com... > On Dec 3, 11:26 pm, "Ray O" <rokig...(a)NOSPAMtristarassociates.com> > wrote: > > > > > "Erik Peterson" <edpeters0...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > >news:336a3363-6aac-41d7-9c9d-2162d4f6cdcb(a)m26g2000yqb.googlegroups.com... > > > > Just got a 1991 toyota 4runne V6 Auto 4x4r. Guy didn't know what was > > > wrong with it at all, if anything. > > > > So I got it, had been sitting since april/may 09. > > > > I put in a good battery and all the lights and everything work. EFI > > > makes the injection sound. All lights radio heater wipers horn > > > windows all that work. > > > > I turn the key and there is just a little click. I dont know if it is > > > just the solenoid clicking, but the engine does not turn over at all, > > > doesn't really sound like the starter is engaging to the flywheel. > > > > What might be my problem. Obviously want to start cheapest first. > > > Just looking for ideas and suggestions. > > > > Thanks in Advance. > > > When did you put in the good battery? Did it sit in a discharged state > > for > > any length of time? What is battery voltage when you get the click? > > > What is the voltage at the starter solenoid when you get the click? > > > -- > > > Ray O > > (correct punctuation to reply) > > I put in the battery just yesterday, after I got it home. I don't > know what you mean by did it sit in a discharge state for any length > of time. If you mean the old battery, then yes. > > ********** > I was wondering if the good battery was installed in April or May and then > sat in the car without being used since then. If this had been the case, > the new battery would probably have lost its ability to hold a charge. > Since the good battery was installed in the past few days, this is not > likely to be the case. > > I have a volt meter, I just don't know how I would check for the > voltage on the battery or the solenoid? How do I do that? Thanks! > > ************ > Set your volt meter to the DC voltage setting, and if you need to manually > set the voltage range, set it for the range that 2 volts falls into. > > To check voltage at the battery, touch the volt meter's red lead on the > positive battery terminal, touch the black lead to the negative battery > terminal, and read the battery voltage. Voltage should be over 12 volts, > preferably closer to 13 volts or more. If you happen to reverse the leads > and touch the red lead to the negative and the black lead to the positive > battery terminal, the voltage will just read negative XX volts. > > To check voltage at the starter, touch the red lead to the heavy cable > connected to the starter and touch the black lead to any good ground point > and have someone engage the starter with the ignition key and read > voltage. > If you have 12 volts when someone tries to crank the starter, the starter > or > starter solenoid is bad. If you do not have 12 volts when someone tries to > crank the starter, the problem is elsewhere in the circuit, like the > ignition switch, starter relay, battery (which you would have already > checked) or wiring. > -- > > Ray O > (correct punctuation to reply) I forgot to mention one thing. When I did try to start it with the new battery and nothing happened, The ground wire did get pretty hot. I don't know what would be causing that, maybe you do? Thanks, Erik ***** If you are talking about the ground wire for the battery, check the connection at the end of the cable that is grounded. -- Ray O (correct punctuation to reply) |