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From: owl on 18 May 2007 02:22
I don't know if this is relevant because I don't know what similarities are
between the Tacoma and the FJ.
Last spring I was looking for the 2007 FJ.

The FJ nearly has the same 4.0 L engine.
I was surprised the FJ with the 5-speed auto was rated for better MPG than
the 6 speed manual.
When I looked up the gear ratios, the automatic has a higher geared
overdrive.

The real shocker: The manual FJ does NOT have a disengagable 4wd.
Seems crazy to require the driver to manually shift through 6 gears but NOT
allow 4wd disengage.

I was not willing to trade these two factors in order to get the lowest low
gear in the manual.





"Dan G" <none(a)12345.org> wrote in message
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> Toyota is listing the rated MPG of the 6-speed manual 4x4 as being lower
> than the 5-speed auto. This seems to defy logic to me. Does anyone have
any
> real-world experience to report for actual MPG?
>
> Any ideas why this is? Are they using different 4WD systems?
>
>


From: B A R R Y on 18 May 2007 07:00
owl wrote:
> >
> The real shocker: The manual FJ does NOT have a disengagable 4wd.
> Seems crazy to require the driver to manually shift through 6 gears but NOT
> allow 4wd disengage.

The Tacoma certainly does allow the driver to disengage 4wd.
From: jp2express on 18 May 2007 14:35
Looks like Toyota can be misleading in some of their TV ads.

So maybe, just maybe, they are lying a bit to get everyone to spend more for
their automatics, which also require more frequent servicing.

Or, maybe to get the lower MPG on the manual, they had their driver shift at
really high RPMs.

For the Highway mileage, maybe the automatic comes with higher rear end
gears.

All things being the same, I can't see how an automatic transmission would
get better gas mileage than a manual because the engine has to spin
transmission fluid around to get the automatic transmission to work. The
manual transmission just requires the driver to burn a few extra calories by
pushing in the clutch and moving the stick through the gears.

"Dan G" wrote:
> Toyota is listing the rated MPG of the 6-speed manual 4x4 as being lower
> than the 5-speed auto. This seems to defy logic to me. Does anyone have
> any
> real-world experience to report for actual MPG?
>
> Any ideas why this is? Are they using different 4WD systems?
>
>


From: Dan G on 18 May 2007 14:50

"jp2express" <jp2mail-tempforum(a)noSpamyahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Looks like Toyota can be misleading in some of their TV ads.
>
> So maybe, just maybe, they are lying a bit to get everyone to spend more
for
> their automatics, which also require more frequent servicing.
>
> Or, maybe to get the lower MPG on the manual, they had their driver shift
at
> really high RPMs.
>
> For the Highway mileage, maybe the automatic comes with higher rear end
> gears.
>
> All things being the same, I can't see how an automatic transmission would
> get better gas mileage than a manual because the engine has to spin
> transmission fluid around to get the automatic transmission to work. The
> manual transmission just requires the driver to burn a few extra calories
by
> pushing in the clutch and moving the stick through the gears.


Whatever you do, don't let the facts prevent you from forming a biased
opinion.

The mileage estimates are from the EPA, not from Toyota. (DUH)
The differential gear ratios are the same.
All things being the same, you don't have a clue what you are talking about.


From: Dan G on 18 May 2007 14:54

"owl" <owl_1971_noSpam_(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I don't know if this is relevant because I don't know what similarities
are
> between the Tacoma and the FJ.
> Last spring I was looking for the 2007 FJ.
>
> The FJ nearly has the same 4.0 L engine.
> I was surprised the FJ with the 5-speed auto was rated for better MPG than
> the 6 speed manual.
> When I looked up the gear ratios, the automatic has a higher geared
> overdrive.
>
> The real shocker: The manual FJ does NOT have a disengagable 4wd.
> Seems crazy to require the driver to manually shift through 6 gears but
NOT
> allow 4wd disengage.
>
> I was not willing to trade these two factors in order to get the lowest
low
> gear in the manual.
>


The FJ comes with full-time 4WD on the 6-sp, which does seem odd. The Tacos
all come with the same part-time 4WD system AFAIK.


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