From: Scott in Florida on
On Tue, 02 Oct 2007 17:38:45 -0700, ACAR <getoutanpush(a)yahoo.com>
wrote:

>On Oct 2, 2:30 pm, "Tony Pacc" <tp...(a)wi.rr.com> wrote:
>> I have 2007 corolla,my wife don't put on a lot miles (8000 per year) I am
>> wondering if it would pay to put in synthetic oil and change it once a year.
>
>If you make short trips (under 15 minutes) the engine and exhaust
>system do not get up to full operating temperature. In this case water
>will accumulate inside the engine and you need to change the oil more
>often than once/year. Your exhaust system will need replacing sooner,
>too.
>
>On the other hand, if your trips are long enough to get the car up to
>full operating temperature, then your plan is a good one. Mobil 1
>5W-30 and a decent filter (Purolator PurOne) once every year. Don't
>neglect checking other fluids on a routine basis.
>
>Happy Motoring
>

Only problem with the plan is that it violates the warranty!

Toyota requires oil changes every 5000 miles or 6 months to maintain
the warranty.

Bad advice.....

--
Scott in Florida


From: Built_Well on
Tony Pacc wrote:
> I have 2007 corolla,my wife don't put on a lot miles (8000 per year) I am
> wondering if it would pay to put in synthetic oil and change it once a year.
========

I see you seem to be favoring Mobil 1 for your synthetic.
You might want to consider trying Pennzoil Platinum or
Quaker State Q Advance instead.

Both oils have been beating Mobil 1 and Mobil 1 Extended
Performance in engine wear tests, lately.

For a little more technical stuff, the Mobil 1 5w-30 has a slightly
higher viscosity of 11.3 centiStokes at engine operating temperature
of 100 C / 212 F. The Pennzoil Platinum 5w-30 has a lower viscocity
of 10.5 at that temperature.

Sure, the 1 centiStoke (cS) difference is virtually nothing, when you
consider that a 10w-30 /synthetic/ oil might have a viscocity of
roughly
75 at cold startup during spring or early-fall (75 degree F) compared
to a conventional oil's 100 at that same cold startup, a big
difference in viscocity of 25 cS. (Much, much greater difference
during winter
temps., though.)

The real reason I suggest the Pennzoil and Quaker State
synthetics over Mobil 1 is their better showing lately in
used oil analysis tests. Less iron, lead bearing, chromium,
aluminum, and other engine wear metals are showing up in tests
of the used oil. They're also showing higher TBN figures (the
additives in your oil that help keep it healthy).

Plus you can get the Quaker State for free right now at
O'Reilly, after mail-in rebate.

Free oil that is better than Mobil 1. Hard to beat that.

Mobil 1 just has a huge advertising machine, but they're not
better than the other two mentioned above.

From: Built_Well on
Built_Well wrote:
> Tony Pacc wrote:
> > I have 2007 corolla,my wife don't put on a lot miles (8000 per year) I am
> > wondering if it would pay to put in synthetic oil and change it once a year.
> ========
>
> I see you seem to be favoring Mobil 1 for your synthetic.
> You might want to consider trying Pennzoil Platinum or
> Quaker State Q Advance instead.
>
> Both oils have been beating Mobil 1 and Mobil 1 Extended
> Performance in engine wear tests, lately.
>
> For a little more technical stuff, the Mobil 1 5w-30 has a slightly
> higher viscosity of 11.3 centiStokes at engine operating temperature
> of 100 C / 212 F. The Pennzoil Platinum 5w-30 has a lower viscocity
> of 10.5 at that temperature.
>
> Sure, the 1 centiStoke (cS) difference is virtually nothing, when you
> consider that a 10w-30 /synthetic/ oil might have a viscocity of
> roughly
> 75 at cold startup during spring or early-fall (75 degree F) compared
> to a conventional oil's 100 at that same cold startup, a big
> difference in viscocity of 25 cS. (Much, much greater difference
> during winter
> temps., though.)
>
> The real reason I suggest the Pennzoil and Quaker State
> synthetics over Mobil 1 is their better showing lately in
> used oil analysis tests. Less iron, lead bearing, chromium,
> aluminum, and other engine wear metals are showing up in tests
> of the used oil. They're also showing higher TBN figures (the
> additives in your oil that help keep it healthy).
>
> Plus you can get the Quaker State for free right now at
> O'Reilly, after mail-in rebate.
>
> Free oil that is better than Mobil 1. Hard to beat that.
>
> Mobil 1 just has a huge advertising machine, but they're not
> better than the other two mentioned above.
========

Oh, and the Pennzoil Platinum and Quaker State may even
be a little cheaper than the Mobil 1. (Mobil 1 has
a huge advertising budget it has to pay for.)

From: Mark A on
"Built_Well" <Built_Well_Toyota(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
> Oh, and the Pennzoil Platinum and Quaker State may even
> be a little cheaper than the Mobil 1. (Mobil 1 has
> a huge advertising budget it has to pay for.)

On a per quart basis, the advertising cost is lower for Mobil 1. The reason
why Pennzoil Platinum and Quaker State "may" be cheaper for now is that they
are trying to "buy" market share from Mobil 1, who has long dominated the
synthetic oil market (which they virtually created).

BTW, Pennzoil-Quaker State Company is owned by Royal Dutch/Shell Group.
Mobil 1 is a brand name of ExxonMobil.


From: tony pac on
Being that this car has only 2500 miles on it I was told by my Toyota dealer
to wait until I have 20,000 miles before switching over to synthetic oil,and
how does effect my warranty as far as oil changes,every 6 months?My dealer
only carry's Mobil 1.
"Built_Well" <Built_Well_Toyota(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1191603789.034040.72530(a)r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> Built_Well wrote:
>> Tony Pacc wrote:
>> > I have 2007 corolla,my wife don't put on a lot miles (8000 per year) I
>> > am
>> > wondering if it would pay to put in synthetic oil and change it once a
>> > year.
>> ========
>>
>> I see you seem to be favoring Mobil 1 for your synthetic.
>> You might want to consider trying Pennzoil Platinum or
>> Quaker State Q Advance instead.
>>
>> Both oils have been beating Mobil 1 and Mobil 1 Extended
>> Performance in engine wear tests, lately.
>>
>> For a little more technical stuff, the Mobil 1 5w-30 has a slightly
>> higher viscosity of 11.3 centiStokes at engine operating temperature
>> of 100 C / 212 F. The Pennzoil Platinum 5w-30 has a lower viscocity
>> of 10.5 at that temperature.
>>
>> Sure, the 1 centiStoke (cS) difference is virtually nothing, when you
>> consider that a 10w-30 /synthetic/ oil might have a viscocity of
>> roughly
>> 75 at cold startup during spring or early-fall (75 degree F) compared
>> to a conventional oil's 100 at that same cold startup, a big
>> difference in viscocity of 25 cS. (Much, much greater difference
>> during winter
>> temps., though.)
>>
>> The real reason I suggest the Pennzoil and Quaker State
>> synthetics over Mobil 1 is their better showing lately in
>> used oil analysis tests. Less iron, lead bearing, chromium,
>> aluminum, and other engine wear metals are showing up in tests
>> of the used oil. They're also showing higher TBN figures (the
>> additives in your oil that help keep it healthy).
>>
>> Plus you can get the Quaker State for free right now at
>> O'Reilly, after mail-in rebate.
>>
>> Free oil that is better than Mobil 1. Hard to beat that.
>>
>> Mobil 1 just has a huge advertising machine, but they're not
>> better than the other two mentioned above.
> ========
>
> Oh, and the Pennzoil Platinum and Quaker State may even
> be a little cheaper than the Mobil 1. (Mobil 1 has
> a huge advertising budget it has to pay for.)
>

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