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From: jim beam on 13 Feb 2010 18:20
so mike, since you say you were in sales, and sales is all about
numbers, and because you say toyota sell their vehicles at a loss, i
want you to take a little time to walk us through your math.

1. what is your gross loss when you sell seven vehicles for $19,725
each, and you, the dealer, gets invoiced a net of $11,189 each for them
by the manufacturer? [no, "dealer invoice" doesn't count because that's
not the actual number you pay.]

2. and what is that loss after your total overheads [taxes, real estate,
utilities, admin, insurance, advertising (net, not gross), and
preparation labor of $1,052 per vehicle is accounted for?

3. and finally, what is the total loss to the owner of the franchise
after you've paid your sales schlep their $593 commission per vehicle?

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From: Tegger on 13 Feb 2010 19:06
jim beam <me(a)privacy.net> wrote in
news:65udnSwiYNlIrurWnZ2dnUVZ_tadnZ2d(a)speakeasy.net:

> so mike, since you say you were in sales, and sales is all about
> numbers, and because you say toyota sell their vehicles at a loss, i
> want you to take a little time to walk us through your math.
>
> 1. what is your gross loss when you sell seven vehicles for $19,725
> each, and you, the dealer, gets invoiced a net of $11,189 each for them
> by the manufacturer? [no, "dealer invoice" doesn't count because that's
> not the actual number you pay.]
>
> 2. and what is that loss after your total overheads [taxes, real estate,
> utilities, admin, insurance, advertising (net, not gross), and
> preparation labor of $1,052 per vehicle is accounted for?
>
> 3. and finally, what is the total loss to the owner of the franchise
> after you've paid your sales schlep their $593 commission per vehicle?
>



"Mike" will be a while getting back to you. He's gone to one of those
"gentlemens' clubs" that line the highways in PA.


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From: jim beam on 13 Feb 2010 19:42
On 02/13/2010 04:06 PM, Tegger wrote:
> jim beam<me(a)privacy.net> wrote in
> news:65udnSwiYNlIrurWnZ2dnUVZ_tadnZ2d(a)speakeasy.net:
>
>> so mike, since you say you were in sales, and sales is all about
>> numbers, and because you say toyota sell their vehicles at a loss, i
>> want you to take a little time to walk us through your math.
>>
>> 1. what is your gross loss when you sell seven vehicles for $19,725
>> each, and you, the dealer, gets invoiced a net of $11,189 each for them
>> by the manufacturer? [no, "dealer invoice" doesn't count because that's
>> not the actual number you pay.]
>>
>> 2. and what is that loss after your total overheads [taxes, real estate,
>> utilities, admin, insurance, advertising (net, not gross), and
>> preparation labor of $1,052 per vehicle is accounted for?
>>
>> 3. and finally, what is the total loss to the owner of the franchise
>> after you've paid your sales schlep their $593 commission per vehicle?
>>
>
>
>
> "Mike" will be a while getting back to you. He's gone to one of those
> "gentlemens' clubs" that line the highways in PA.
>
>

i think the entertainment will have a better grip on what numbers mean
than he does.

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From: Mike Hunter on 14 Feb 2010 10:45
Where did you ever get that idea? What I said was, according to industry
statistics and from I know what we did in our Toyotas stores, that Toyota
BUYERS pay 20% to 30% MORE to drive home their Toyota than if they had
purchased a domestic of the same size and with the same equipment.

We always made a higher gross on EVERY Toyota we sold. WE LOVED Toyota
buyers who had the perception the were better and were willing to pay MORE
to drive one home LOL




"jim beam" <me(a)privacy.net> wrote in message
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> so mike, since you say you were in sales, and sales is all about numbers,
> and because you say toyota sell their vehicles at a loss,


From: jim beam on 14 Feb 2010 11:07
On 02/14/2010 07:45 AM, Mike Hunter wrote:
> Where did you ever get that idea? What I said was, according to industry
> statistics and from I know what we did in our Toyotas stores, that Toyota
> BUYERS pay 20% to 30% MORE to drive home their Toyota than if they had
> purchased a domestic of the same size and with the same equipment.
>
> We always made a higher gross on EVERY Toyota we sold. WE LOVED Toyota
> buyers who had the perception the were better and were willing to pay MORE
> to drive one home LOL

so by your bizarro logic, a vehicle that lasts twice as long, costs less
to run and less to maintain should cost less??? why aren't you still
working in sales mike???

oh, and let's just ignore the fact that you've just contradicted your
"toyota sell for a loss" statement shall we?


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>
>
>
> "jim beam"<me(a)privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:65udnSwiYNlIrurWnZ2dnUVZ_tadnZ2d(a)speakeasy.net...
>> so mike, since you say you were in sales, and sales is all about numbers,
>> and because you say toyota sell their vehicles at a loss,
>
>


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