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From: surf on 18 Mar 2007 05:29

here is my recent experience at Boch Toyota. I was not aware of what
the MSR was on a corolla as I recently started thinking of getting
one. I saw Boch advertised $9988 on a new 2007 Corolla CE. Just below
where it listed the price it says 40 corolla's available, I called a
salesman there and he said there was 40 available as well. I called at
8:30 in the morning and the ad had just come out that morning. He said
if I got there before noon I should be good to go. I was there by
about 9:40 that same morning. They set me up with a different
salesman than who I had talked to on the phone. The first thing he
said was that car was no longer available, someone had bought it
before the doors had even opened (there had been 2 cars at that price
he claimed). I told him I was told there was 40, he said there are 40
corollas, but not at that price ading that they can't give away the
store. After more talking he went away, came back and said that one of
the cars was available as the person who bought it had changed their
mind. He then wrote down some numbers adding $400 onto the price as
well as $500 for a rebate that I don't understand at all. Then there
was another $300 added for additional equipment which he acted like he
was not sure about. The $400 I did understand as it was for recent
college graduate and the guy on the phone actually did mention that
but nothing else. At that point the car was now around 11K which was
different but I was still prepared to buy it at that price. It had
recently snowed 9 inches the night before and rained, he went outside
and came back saying the car was in a big puddle in the back and I
couldn't look at it right now, then he proceeded to ask if I was
prepared to buy it. Feeling hesitant I said I had never bought a car
without looking at it, then I said, ok well what's the price ? Then he
wrote down the numbers from before and added another $650 for a
destination cost. The car price was now almost 12K. I sort of
complained that everything keeps changing and that when I bought my
tundra (different dealer) the car was advertised at a price and when I
got there that was the price. He claimed it was a great deal based on
the MSR and the other stuff was fine print at the bottom of the ad. I
should have said something like, "so I need a lawyer to buy a car
here ?" because it seems if I buy a car there is allways going to be
small print. At that point I felt very apprehensive and no longer in
the mood to even look at any cars, I was ready to just go home. What
was going through my mind was if I go through with this deal, I may
find more hidden costs or they might tell me something like I have to
wait two months before I can get the car or who knows what sort of
"fine print" they could come up with. My mother thinks I should
consider complaining to the Attourney General.

From: John Reddy on 18 Mar 2007 11:46
In article <1174210177.926999.239830(a)y66g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
"surf" <surfunbear(a)yahoo.com> wrote:

> He then wrote down some numbers adding $400 onto the price as
> well as $500 for a rebate that I don't understand at all. Then there
> was another $300 added for additional equipment which he acted like he
> was not sure about. The $400 I did understand as it was for recent
> college graduate and the guy on the phone actually did mention that
> but nothing else.

Huh???

"$400 for recent college graduate?"

What the hell does that mean?

I pretty much puzzled out the rest of your poorly written, more poorly
thought out ramblings but that one's got me stumped.

Overall, you did the right thing by getting out of there. If you're not
100% comfortable and/or if you don't understand ALL of the fine print
before you sign a contract, you can be sure you're in for a screwing.
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 18 Mar 2007 12:05
On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 02:29:37 -0700, surf wrote:

> here is my recent experience at Boch Toyota. I was not aware of what
> the MSR was on a corolla as I recently started thinking of getting
> one. I saw Boch advertised $9988 on a new 2007 Corolla CE. Just below
> where it listed the price it says 40 corolla's available, I called a
> salesman there and he said there was 40 available as well. I called at
> 8:30 in the morning and the ad had just come out that morning. He said
> if I got there before noon I should be good to go. I was there by
> about 9:40 that same morning. They set me up with a different
> salesman than who I had talked to on the phone. The first thing he
> said was that car was no longer available, someone had bought it
> before the doors had even opened (there had been 2 cars at that price
> he claimed). I told him I was told there was 40, he said there are 40
> corollas, but not at that price ading that they can't give away the
> store. After more talking he went away, came back and said that one of
> the cars was available as the person who bought it had changed their
> mind. He then wrote down some numbers adding $400 onto the price as
> well as $500 for a rebate that I don't understand at all. Then there
> was another $300 added for additional equipment which he acted like he
> was not sure about. The $400 I did understand as it was for recent
> college graduate and the guy on the phone actually did mention that
> but nothing else. At that point the car was now around 11K which was
> different but I was still prepared to buy it at that price. It had
> recently snowed 9 inches the night before and rained, he went outside
> and came back saying the car was in a big puddle in the back and I
> couldn't look at it right now, then he proceeded to ask if I was
> prepared to buy it. Feeling hesitant I said I had never bought a car
> without looking at it, then I said, ok well what's the price ? Then he
> wrote down the numbers from before and added another $650 for a
> destination cost. The car price was now almost 12K. I sort of
> complained that everything keeps changing and that when I bought my
> tundra (different dealer) the car was advertised at a price and when I
> got there that was the price. He claimed it was a great deal based on
> the MSR and the other stuff was fine print at the bottom of the ad. I
> should have said something like, "so I need a lawyer to buy a car
> here ?" because it seems if I buy a car there is allways going to be
> small print. At that point I felt very apprehensive and no longer in
> the mood to even look at any cars, I was ready to just go home. What
> was going through my mind was if I go through with this deal, I may
> find more hidden costs or they might tell me something like I have to
> wait two months before I can get the car or who knows what sort of
> "fine print" they could come up with. My mother thinks I should
> consider complaining to the Attourney General.


Complaining won't work, you didn't read the fine print!

See if there is an ad in the Globe today. Look for the car you wanted, and
cut out the ad. READ THE FINE PRINT! This is called a Loss Leader; they
will have one or two cars at this price. Of course, by the time you get
there, they are either sold or have a hold on them! The "College Grad"
thing is a 'consideration' for College students that was initially
provided by Chrysler years ago. If you really pound them, you can get it.

All the rest of the stuff is standard, Destination, ADMU, yada yada yada.

Make sure you understand the ad before you go in! Read all the disclaimers
and try to figure out what they can add to the price.

What they did was took the base price of the car BEFORE dealer costs and
markups, published that price, and then added back in all the costs and
fees when you started talking numbers.

If they charge any more than $75 for 'paperwork', assert yourself. I was
working for a dealer that charged $50, when the new owners took over, that
fee jumped to $399!!! Nothing but profit.

If the salesman says, "If you don't buy this car, someone else will", say,
"Fine!" and get up. Of course, someone else WILL buy the car, but they
already have you there, why wait for someone else?!

And try Norm Wagner in Lunenburg. They are alright; they have a lot of the
same practices but are a little more willing to bend if it looks like they
will lose the sale.





--
Pan Newsreader 0.120 (Plate of Shrimp)
Feisty-Fawn (Ubuntu 7.0)
From: Professor Leisankrapp on 18 Mar 2007 12:15
"John Reddy" <johnreddy(a)contbuilding.com> wrote in message
news:johnreddy-F46E29.11455918032007(a)news.verizon.net...
> In article <1174210177.926999.239830(a)y66g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
> "surf" <surfunbear(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>> <snip incoherent gibbering?
> Overall, you did the right thing by getting out of there. If you're not
> 100% comfortable and/or if you don't understand ALL of the fine print
> before you sign a contract, you can be sure you're in for a screwing.

I think that means the OP shouldn't buy a car. There's
no way he could understand all of the fine print; he's
a fecking cretin.




From: Ray O on 18 Mar 2007 13:02

"surf" <surfunbear(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1174210177.926999.239830(a)y66g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
> here is my recent experience at Boch Toyota. I was not aware of what
> the MSR was on a corolla as I recently started thinking of getting
> one. I saw Boch advertised $9988 on a new 2007 Corolla CE. Just below
> where it listed the price it says 40 corolla's available, I called a
> salesman there and he said there was 40 available as well. I called at
> 8:30 in the morning and the ad had just come out that morning. He said
> if I got there before noon I should be good to go. I was there by
> about 9:40 that same morning. They set me up with a different
> salesman than who I had talked to on the phone. The first thing he
> said was that car was no longer available, someone had bought it
> before the doors had even opened (there had been 2 cars at that price
> he claimed). I told him I was told there was 40, he said there are 40
> corollas, but not at that price ading that they can't give away the
> store. After more talking he went away, came back and said that one of
> the cars was available as the person who bought it had changed their
> mind. He then wrote down some numbers adding $400 onto the price as
> well as $500 for a rebate that I don't understand at all. Then there
> was another $300 added for additional equipment which he acted like he
> was not sure about. The $400 I did understand as it was for recent
> college graduate and the guy on the phone actually did mention that
> but nothing else. At that point the car was now around 11K which was
> different but I was still prepared to buy it at that price. It had
> recently snowed 9 inches the night before and rained, he went outside
> and came back saying the car was in a big puddle in the back and I
> couldn't look at it right now, then he proceeded to ask if I was
> prepared to buy it. Feeling hesitant I said I had never bought a car
> without looking at it, then I said, ok well what's the price ? Then he
> wrote down the numbers from before and added another $650 for a
> destination cost. The car price was now almost 12K. I sort of
> complained that everything keeps changing and that when I bought my
> tundra (different dealer) the car was advertised at a price and when I
> got there that was the price. He claimed it was a great deal based on
> the MSR and the other stuff was fine print at the bottom of the ad. I
> should have said something like, "so I need a lawyer to buy a car
> here ?" because it seems if I buy a car there is allways going to be
> small print. At that point I felt very apprehensive and no longer in
> the mood to even look at any cars, I was ready to just go home. What
> was going through my mind was if I go through with this deal, I may
> find more hidden costs or they might tell me something like I have to
> wait two months before I can get the car or who knows what sort of
> "fine print" they could come up with. My mother thinks I should
> consider complaining to the Attourney General.
>

That dealership used to be the largest sales volume Toyota dealership in New
England - I assume it still is.

If you are dissatisfied with the sales process, go to another dealership.
There are a couple of dealerships on the Cape that are highly rated in terms
of customer satisfaction.
--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)


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