feeling dissapointmed with Boch Toyota, Norwood MA
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From: EskWIRED on 19 Mar 2007 07:19 In ne.general Joe Lauton <JL(a)lauton2000.com> wrote: > I know the feeling and I made my living negotiating for more than ten > years. If people did not want this then it would not exist - it is > all a good thing. I spoke to a car dealer about this once, complaining about the game required to get a good price. He blamed the customers. He wished that they would just pay sticker and stop playing games... -- The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts. -- Bertrand Russel
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 19 Mar 2007 11:28 On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 11:10:12 +0000, EskWIRED wrote: > In ne.general Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B <Trueno(a)ae86.gts> wrote: > >> After having a salesman shout across the room for the ADMU on a '91 MR2, >> I told him, That wasn't necessary...I don't PAY ADMUs. I'll go the >> sticker. He said, OK... > > Wow. Full price. I'd buy a different car. This was a first year model, limited production; each dealer got something like 50 of them. You have to understand the car business, esp the days when ALL Toyotas were coming from Japan. They knew they'd get the full price PLUS the ADMU just for having it on the lot. Now, for the 5 rows for Corollas, I could have beat him to a pulp (I did in 1987, got a $13,500 car for $9,000). But the Supras, the 4-Runners back then, the MR2 and the Cressida there was no wiggle room. I was actually surprised I talked him out of the ADMU!
From: Ray O on 19 Mar 2007 11:38 "surf" <surfunbear(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1174293335.596188.321270(a)y66g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... > On Mar 18, 10:35 pm, "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> > wrote: >> Falmouth Toyota in Bourne used to be the highest rated dealership in the >> country for customer satisfaction, and I see from their web site that it >> is >> still owned by the same dealer. I don't know if they are still the >> highest >> rated, but knowing the owner, they will not rip off their customers or >> mistreat them, and they come by their high customer satisfaction scores >> by >> actually trying to satisfy their customers. >> >> Hyannis Toyota is owned by one of my former co-workers, and he operates >> the >> same way as the dealer in Falmouth because he is honest by nature. >> >> You may be able to negotiate a better deal elsewhere if you're willing to >> put up with all the shenanigans, but if you want a fair deal without >> loopholes, you won't go wrong at these places. There are several other >> very >> good dealerships, but those two rise to the top in the honesty >> department. >> -- >> > You're saying that the dealers who are deceptive and lie to you might > give you a better deal it seems like. I'm not sure why that would be, > but there is alot of money involved and I am probably too afraid to > risk that. > I am not saying that deceptive dealers will give you a better deal, although upon re-reading my post, I can see that it seems that way. I am saying that if you are willing to study all of the fine print, negotiate, walk out of the dealership when you do not get a satisfactory deal 2 or 3 times, etc., it is possible to get a good deal. I personally do not care to go through that hassle so I go to a dealership with a great reputation, and in exchange for not trying to squeeze every bit of profit from the dealership, they will give me a very fair deal without trying to make up the profit elsewhere on unneeded stuff like rustproofing. -- Ray O (correct punctuation to reply)
From: mack on 19 Mar 2007 12:58 <EskWIRED(a)spamblock.panix.com> wrote in message news:etlrfr$g1g$3(a)reader2.panix.com... > In ne.general mack <mackerel(a)dslextreme.com> wrote: > >> Visiting a dealer is like playing three card monte or a shell game with a >> streetcorner "gambler"....there's no winning involved. > > If you know how they play the game, and if you know what sort of customer > behaviour gets a good price, you can win. > > I got my Honda CRV used for around $2,000 less than Kelly Blue Book, as a > Certified Used Car, with an extended warranty and a new CD player. It > takes a stupid hassle and the proper technique. I am unaware of any > shortcuts. This is the very trouble with car dealers and their games. Can you think of any other retail operation where doing a dance around the price and giving out false information (Recent college graduate rebate???) is par for the course? And then the dealers blame the customers for "wanting" this series of charades? Typical. The only way to treat a dealer's salesman is (as soon as this dance starts) is to say "I don't have time for this bullshit...do you want to sell a car or don't you? " and start heading for the exit. You may be surprised at how the pie in the sky price quickly becomes the actual selling price, when you let it be known in no uncertain terms that the song and dance doesn't work with you. Sadly, so many car buyers have become so emotionally involved with the thought of driving this beauty home that they can't act coldly and unemotionally. But remember that what you're getting is a piece of very expensive machinery, not a date with the prom queen or a sexual encounter with a "desperate housewife" . You're getting a piece of iron, and in the local vicinity, there are several hundred other pieces of iron just like it, some of which may be less expensive than the one you're negotiating on.
From: EskWIRED on 19 Mar 2007 20:46
In ne.general mack <mackerel(a)dslextreme.com> wrote: > The only way to treat a dealer's salesman is (as soon > as this dance starts) is to say "I don't have time for this bullshit...do > you want to sell a car or don't you? " and start heading for the exit. Nope. If you have not been there long, They hae nothing invested in you. Only after you have used up a lot of salesman time will they really care about losing you. You > may be surprised at how the pie in the sky price quickly becomes the actual > selling price, when you let it be known in no uncertain terms that the song > and dance doesn't work with you. Sadly, so many car buyers have become so > emotionally involved with the thought of driving this beauty home that they > can't act coldly and unemotionally. Cold and unemotional is a mistake. You need to make the salesman think that you are a hot prospect. You need him to think that he has you in the bag. Only then can you deflate his balloon. If you are a cold fish, then he's not yet mentally spent his commission check. He has to KNOW that you will buy. Only then can you lay down the law. But remember that what you're getting > is a piece of very expensive machinery, not a date with the prom queen or a > sexual encounter with a "desperate housewife" . You're getting a piece of > iron, and in the local vicinity, there are several hundred other pieces of > iron just like it, some of which may be less expensive than the one you're > negotiating on. Right. You need to be ready to walk at any time. -- The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts. -- Bertrand Russel |