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From: Bob Cooper on 6 Mar 2010 16:30 In article <hmuep4$qd2$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, crwlrjeff(a)yahoo.com says... > > > This is the most important part? > > It's nonsense! The gas pedal does two things, opens the throttle plate and > closes the throttle plate. Period. > > You should ride the bus. Nonsense? Where have I heard that before? This is what you get if you're foolish enough to to let somebody who names himself after a whiskey, whose logic is limited to the HTML programming he's done for a Toyota fanboy website, and thinks EPS uses a pump - design automobile throttling. Don't worry, nobody in charge of such things is that foolish. Well, maybe Toyota was. And look where it got them.
From: Ed Pawlowski on 6 Mar 2010 17:02 "jim beam" <me(a)privacy.net> wrote >> Drive by wire is certainly a natural progression. What failed is two >> things. One is the Toyota system (whatever that was), > > really? has that been demonstrated yet? i see lots of speculation from > idiots that don't know what the heck they're talking about, and loads of > astroturf from people with a stake in forcing a negative outcome, but i've > yet to see any real evidence of this. You read the papers and watch the news. Regardless of the reason, something failed or it would not have made the news to the degree is has. Faulty design? Faulty electronics? Faulty mechanics? Even if it is proved to be 100% driver error, something failed or that many drivers would not have had the problem. Just as the Audi was shown to be pedal location and driver error, it was a failure to get the job done properly.
From: Ed Pawlowski on 6 Mar 2010 17:14 "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrjeff(a)yahoo.com> wrote > > All of this is fine, but ignores the fact that wrong-pedal accidents > happen in a very short span of time -- the old lady pulls into the parking > space and mashes the gas which sends the car through the front of the > store. > > The problems that Toyota has involves people driving along for miles -- > the CHP officer and his family went for more than 5 miles before the car > crashed. A passenger in that car called 911 from his cellphone, have you > ever called 911 from a cellphone? It takes a long time to get an answer, > then the system tells you to press 2 for spanish or hold, then you have to > wait from there for the operator to pick up. The passenger had time to > tell the dispatcher what was happening with the car before it crashed. > This was an event that took a very long time to transpire. These are very > long events, not momentary lapses. Given the long time lapses, do you think it could be a wrong pedal issue? If it was and continued that long, it is still a failure on the part of Toyota. Design failure. Sure that happens frequently but when it happens to the degree Toyota is facing, if is a failure. It must be found and fixed. Just as the brake interlock to prevent shifting into gear helps. A few years back an elderly couple bought a Subaru wagon. The next day he could not get the car to go into gear in spite of trying a few times. He was ready to call the dealer and have the car towed. He came into my shop, that is how I know of the problem. I told him to put his foot on the brake and try it. Without the interlock, this was an accident waiting to happen. This was a guy that used to design and build machines and has much mechanical knowledge. But yet he had a simple problem that could have eventually caused harm as the wrong pedal instances do.
From: DAS on 6 Mar 2010 17:25 Jim Beam. do you read the FT, or do you just like calling a spade a spade? DAS To reply directly replace 'nospam' with 'schmetterling' -- "jim beam" <me(a)privacy.net> wrote in message news:uNednTwiCNl9Ww_WnZ2dnUVZ_tidnZ2d(a)speakeasy.net... [...] > nomina rutrum rutrum
From: DAS on 6 Mar 2010 17:30
Yes, the Toyota recalls 'arrived' in the UK... DAS To reply directly replace 'nospam' with 'schmetterling' -- "jim beam" <me(a)privacy.net> wrote in message news:zPKdnVV3Y5EbIA_WnZ2dnUVZ_hYAAAAA(a)speakeasy.net... > On 03/06/2010 12:02 PM, Cameo wrote: >> "Jim Warman" <mechanic(a)telusplanet.net> wrote: >>> >>> Have we seen problems with Fords drive by wire? A very few, but >>> yes.... No unintended accelerations have been (AFAIK) documented. >> >> Have we seen problems with Toyota outside of the US? Are they making >> different cars for other markets? > > c'mon dude, don't ask difficult questions that expose the logical fallacy > of this ridiculous protectionist witch hunt. > > > -- > nomina rutrum rutrum |