From: Picasso on
I've narrowed my choices down to two vehicles...

The tacoma, 4L crew cab, trd offroad with towing package, or the gmc
5.3L sierra, crew cab SLE

Yah, pretty big difference...

Always loved the tacoma, but always liked a full size pickup.

Ford F150 -- had an 08, its on its way out, its junk, too many issues
Dodge Ram -- too hard on fuel, poor resale, unsure of the reliability
Tundra -- just not my cup of tea, surely a good truck, but not in my
driveway
ford ranger -- junk, chevys little POS -- overpriced for what it is
problem prone...

Some concerns I have about stepping down in to a tacoma, and maybe
someone here can comment...

Biggest one is the roomyness of the fullsize truck. Chev's are very
comfortable trucks to drive, and fairly good on fuel.. even with
compared to the compact tacoma. i drove a ford ranger for 2 years
before my F150, and i think my back hurt every night going to bed
after about the first 3 months of driving it...

Second one is towing... chev is rated at 8500, and the tacoma at 6500
w/ towing package with in itself is very impressive...

Thing i'm not sure of and maybe someone can comment, is the
reliability on the chev end... i'm just not sure its going to be close
to where toyota has taken the tacoma.

i've had the chance to drive a dodge ram for 1 month + and the same on
the chev... love both both vehicles, but they are new... the
reliability didn't have time to shnie through there.

Big trucks are hard on fuel, and hard on tires... i'm thinking the
tacoma might be easier on both.

Anyway, help me make up my mind on these two very different
vehicles..

And no, I don't tow a 5th wheel, or a camper of any sort, and not even
sure i have immediate plans to do so.

its a commuter vehicle.
From: someone on
In article <6531bda7-612a-4970-8d40-8e3d74959b38(a)i28g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>, Picasso <picasso.ng(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>I've narrowed my choices down to two vehicles...
>
>The tacoma, 4L crew cab, trd offroad with towing package, or the gmc
>5.3L sierra, crew cab SLE
>
>Yah, pretty big difference...
>
>Always loved the tacoma, but always liked a full size pickup.
>
>Ford F150 -- had an 08, its on its way out, its junk, too many issues
>Dodge Ram -- too hard on fuel, poor resale, unsure of the reliability
>Tundra -- just not my cup of tea, surely a good truck, but not in my
>driveway
>ford ranger -- junk, chevys little POS -- overpriced for what it is
>problem prone...
>
>Some concerns I have about stepping down in to a tacoma, and maybe
>someone here can comment...
>
>Biggest one is the roomyness of the fullsize truck. Chev's are very
>comfortable trucks to drive, and fairly good on fuel.. even with
>compared to the compact tacoma. i drove a ford ranger for 2 years
>before my F150, and i think my back hurt every night going to bed
>after about the first 3 months of driving it...
>
>Second one is towing... chev is rated at 8500, and the tacoma at 6500
>w/ towing package with in itself is very impressive...
>
>Thing i'm not sure of and maybe someone can comment, is the
>reliability on the chev end... i'm just not sure its going to be close
>to where toyota has taken the tacoma.
>
>i've had the chance to drive a dodge ram for 1 month + and the same on
>the chev... love both both vehicles, but they are new... the
>reliability didn't have time to shnie through there.
>
>Big trucks are hard on fuel, and hard on tires... i'm thinking the
>tacoma might be easier on both.
>
>Anyway, help me make up my mind on these two very different
>vehicles..
>
>And no, I don't tow a 5th wheel, or a camper of any sort, and not even
>sure i have immediate plans to do so.
>
>its a commuter vehicle.
go green. or is this an ego thing?
From: Ralph Mowery on

"Picasso" <picasso.ng(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
news:6531bda7-612a-4970-8d40-8e3d74959b38(a)i28g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...

> I've narrowed my choices down to two vehicles...
>> Anyway, help me make up my mind on these two very different
> vehicles..
>
> And no, I don't tow a 5th wheel, or a camper of any sort, and not even
> sure i have immediate plans to do so.
>
> its a commuter vehicle.

How do you expect us to help you decide on two totally differant kinds of
vehicles ?

Are you going to use it to drive to work and just haul a few things or use
it like a real truck ?
You need to decide that first.

I drive about 18 miles to work each day. I get about 24 miles to the gallon.
I decided on the Tacoma extended cab in 2007 and bought a new one then. The
4 cylinder modle. I do not tow anything. I have loaded the bed level with
firewood a few times. I would not want to drive it every day with a load
like that, but for 2 or 3 trips a year it was ok. I seldom use it like a
truck but it does come in handy to haul big bulky items home from the store.

As a guy at work said, if you want a real truck get one with an 8 foot bed.
You can lay a piece of plywood flat in it.


From: First of One on
"Picasso" <picasso.ng(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
news:6531bda7-612a-4970-8d40-8e3d74959b38(a)i28g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
> Biggest one is the roomyness of the fullsize truck. Chev's are very
> comfortable trucks to drive, and fairly good on fuel.. even with
> compared to the compact tacoma. i drove a ford ranger for 2 years
> before my F150, and i think my back hurt every night going to bed
> after about the first 3 months of driving it...

The Ford Ranger is a compact pickup. The Tacoma was a compact. It grew to
mid-size after the 2005 redesign. Go for a test drive at the Toyota dealer.
Make sure the test truck is the same model you are interested in (i.e. TRD
double cab). Play with the lumbar support knob. Try out the back seats. You
should be able to tell right away if the seats are comfortable and if the
cab is large enough for your needs.

> Second one is towing... chev is rated at 8500, and the tacoma at 6500
> w/ towing package with in itself is very impressive...
> ...
> And no, I don't tow a 5th wheel, or a camper of any sort, and not even
> sure i have immediate plans to do so.
> its a commuter vehicle.

Will you be towing a heavy trailer at the hitch or not? The Taco is
relatively light at 4000 lbs. So while the powertrain and brakes can handle
a 6500-lb trailer, handling may be more challenging compared to a Sierra.

> Thing i'm not sure of and maybe someone can comment, is the
> reliability on the chev end... i'm just not sure its going to be close
> to where toyota has taken the tacoma.

According to JDPower, reliability is about equal for both, at 3 stars.
http://www.jdpower.com/autos/ratings/dependability-ratings-by-category/midsize-pickup
http://www.jdpower.com/autos/ratings/dependability-ratings-by-category/large-pickup

The study is based on surveys of 3-year-old vehicles (i.e. those purchased
in 2007). See press release:
http://businesscenter.jdpower.com/news/pressrelease.aspx?ID=2010034
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From: Picasso on
First of One wrote:
> "Picasso" <picasso.ng(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:6531bda7-612a-4970-8d40-8e3d74959b38(a)i28g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
>> Biggest one is the roomyness of the fullsize truck. Chev's are very
>> comfortable trucks to drive, and fairly good on fuel.. even with
>> compared to the compact tacoma. i drove a ford ranger for 2 years
>> before my F150, and i think my back hurt every night going to bed
>> after about the first 3 months of driving it...
>
> The Ford Ranger is a compact pickup. The Tacoma was a compact. It grew to
> mid-size after the 2005 redesign. Go for a test drive at the Toyota dealer.
> Make sure the test truck is the same model you are interested in (i.e. TRD
> double cab). Play with the lumbar support knob. Try out the back seats. You
> should be able to tell right away if the seats are comfortable and if the
> cab is large enough for your needs.
>
>> Second one is towing... chev is rated at 8500, and the tacoma at 6500
>> w/ towing package with in itself is very impressive...
>> ...
>> And no, I don't tow a 5th wheel, or a camper of any sort, and not even
>> sure i have immediate plans to do so.
>> its a commuter vehicle.
>
> Will you be towing a heavy trailer at the hitch or not? The Taco is
> relatively light at 4000 lbs. So while the powertrain and brakes can handle
> a 6500-lb trailer, handling may be more challenging compared to a Sierra.
>
>> Thing i'm not sure of and maybe someone can comment, is the
>> reliability on the chev end... i'm just not sure its going to be close
>> to where toyota has taken the tacoma.
>
> According to JDPower, reliability is about equal for both, at 3 stars.
> http://www.jdpower.com/autos/ratings/dependability-ratings-by-category/midsize-pickup
> http://www.jdpower.com/autos/ratings/dependability-ratings-by-category/large-pickup
>
> The study is based on surveys of 3-year-old vehicles (i.e. those purchased
> in 2007). See press release:
> http://businesscenter.jdpower.com/news/pressrelease.aspx?ID=2010034

Well thanks, this is the kind of info i have been searching for.

Style, size, power, towing i lean towards the gmc sierra, but i don't
need the towing, thats for sure. Thing is, spending 30k on a truck i
want all the options it can give.

fuel economy, and hopefully reliability and reduced repair makes me lean
on the tacoma.

I plan on keeping this thing for 10 years and I am just not sure I will
be suited with the repair bill on the GMC after the first good 5 is out
of it... but i might be wrong!

Plus the tacoma gives me that little bit of extra fuel economy which
isn't as important now with gas "down" but perhaps in 3 years when she
jumps 40% again it may be.

i'm buying a truck for 10 years, not a lease for 3...

Anyway, I wish the dealer would let me keep a tacoma for a weekend...
like I said, i've long term test driven a silverado and a dodge 1/2ton,
and currently own a ford f150.

thanks for the links