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From: badgolferman on 8 Dec 2009 14:22 Jeff Strickland wrote: > >"badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >news:xn0ginhpp58b36s000(a)reader.albasani.net... >>"Woods' wife, Elin, has told police that she used a golf club to >>smash the back windows of the Cadillac Escalade to help her husband >>out." >> >>http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091208/ap_on_sp_go_ne/glf_tiger_woods >> >>------------------------------------------- >> >> >>Putting aside all the titillating conversations and innuendos about >>Tiger Woods and his personal life I would like to broach a different >>subject related to him. >> >>Taking the news report at face value, in the above statement Woods' >>wife reportedly used a golf club to break the window so she could >>gain access to her unconscious husband following his wreck. >>Obviously this GM vehicle has the automatic locks that engage when >>the transmission is taken out of Park and locks all the doors. I >>have always hated this "safety feature" and frankly find it to be >>more unsafe than safe. This incident is a perfect example of what >>can happen if someone has a wreck and is incapacitated to the point >>where they cannot get out on their own accord. Any bystanders who >>try to help cannot open the door and must find an object to smash >>safety glass to gain access. That wastes valuable time and is not >>that easy to do anyway. >> >>Just as most other good intentions imposed upon the general public >>this is one with unintended consequences that I think she be >>re-examined. >> > >Any door that locks automatically can unlock the same way. My car -- >a 1994 model -- unlocks the doors, turns off the radio and turns on >the flashers all by itself. Surely a new Cadillac can do the same, at >a bare minimum. I had a 1994 Camry; it did not do the things you say.
From: Jeff Strickland on 8 Dec 2009 14:26 "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:xn0ginphx5iusos001(a)reader.albasani.net... > Jeff Strickland wrote: > >> >>"badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >>news:xn0ginhpp58b36s000(a)reader.albasani.net... >>>"Woods' wife, Elin, has told police that she used a golf club to >>>smash the back windows of the Cadillac Escalade to help her husband >>>out." >>> >>>http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091208/ap_on_sp_go_ne/glf_tiger_woods >>> >>>------------------------------------------- >>> >>> >>>Putting aside all the titillating conversations and innuendos about >>>Tiger Woods and his personal life I would like to broach a different >>>subject related to him. >>> >>>Taking the news report at face value, in the above statement Woods' >>>wife reportedly used a golf club to break the window so she could >>>gain access to her unconscious husband following his wreck. >>>Obviously this GM vehicle has the automatic locks that engage when >>>the transmission is taken out of Park and locks all the doors. I >>>have always hated this "safety feature" and frankly find it to be >>>more unsafe than safe. This incident is a perfect example of what >>>can happen if someone has a wreck and is incapacitated to the point >>>where they cannot get out on their own accord. Any bystanders who >>>try to help cannot open the door and must find an object to smash >>>safety glass to gain access. That wastes valuable time and is not >>>that easy to do anyway. >>> >>>Just as most other good intentions imposed upon the general public >>>this is one with unintended consequences that I think she be >>>re-examined. >>> >> >>Any door that locks automatically can unlock the same way. My car -- >>a 1994 model -- unlocks the doors, turns off the radio and turns on >>the flashers all by itself. Surely a new Cadillac can do the same, at >>a bare minimum. > > I had a 1994 Camry; it did not do the things you say. > > My '94 isn't a Toyota, but it's as luxury of a car that the Escalade is today.
From: badgolferman on 8 Dec 2009 14:59 Jeff Strickland wrote: > >"badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >news:xn0ginphx5iusos001(a)reader.albasani.net... >>Jeff Strickland wrote: >> >>> >>>"badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >>>news:xn0ginhpp58b36s000(a)reader.albasani.net... >>>>"Woods' wife, Elin, has told police that she used a golf club to >>>>smash the back windows of the Cadillac Escalade to help her >>>>husband out." >>>> >>>>http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091208/ap_on_sp_go_ne/glf_tiger_woods >>>> >>>>------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> >>>>Putting aside all the titillating conversations and innuendos >>>>about Tiger Woods and his personal life I would like to broach >>>>a different subject related to him. >>>> >>>>Taking the news report at face value, in the above statement >>>>Woods' wife reportedly used a golf club to break the window so >>>>she could gain access to her unconscious husband following his >>>>wreck. Obviously this GM vehicle has the automatic locks that >>>>engage when the transmission is taken out of Park and locks all >>>>the doors. I have always hated this "safety feature" and >>>>frankly find it to be more unsafe than safe. This incident is >>>>a perfect example of what can happen if someone has a wreck and >>>>is incapacitated to the point where they cannot get out on >>>>their own accord. Any bystanders who try to help cannot open >>>>the door and must find an object to smash safety glass to gain >>>>access. That wastes valuable time and is not that easy to do >>>>anyway. >>>> >>>>Just as most other good intentions imposed upon the general >>>>public this is one with unintended consequences that I think >>>>she be re-examined. >>>> >>> >>>Any door that locks automatically can unlock the same way. My car >>>-- a 1994 model -- unlocks the doors, turns off the radio and >>>turns on the flashers all by itself. Surely a new Cadillac can do >>>the same, at a bare minimum. >> >>I had a 1994 Camry; it did not do the things you say. >> >> > >My '94 isn't a Toyota, but it's as luxury of a car that the Escalade >is today. So only people who can afford luxury cars are worthy of safety features such as you describe?
From: Jeff Strickland on 8 Dec 2009 15:06 "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:xn0ginqet5k6cus002(a)reader.albasani.net... > Jeff Strickland wrote: > >> >>"badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >>news:xn0ginphx5iusos001(a)reader.albasani.net... >>>Jeff Strickland wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>"badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>news:xn0ginhpp58b36s000(a)reader.albasani.net... >>>>>"Woods' wife, Elin, has told police that she used a golf club to >>>>>smash the back windows of the Cadillac Escalade to help her >>>>>husband out." >>>>> >>>>>http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091208/ap_on_sp_go_ne/glf_tiger_woods >>>>> >>>>>------------------------------------------- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Putting aside all the titillating conversations and innuendos >>>>>about Tiger Woods and his personal life I would like to broach >>>>>a different subject related to him. >>>>> >>>>>Taking the news report at face value, in the above statement >>>>>Woods' wife reportedly used a golf club to break the window so >>>>>she could gain access to her unconscious husband following his >>>>>wreck. Obviously this GM vehicle has the automatic locks that >>>>>engage when the transmission is taken out of Park and locks all >>>>>the doors. I have always hated this "safety feature" and >>>>>frankly find it to be more unsafe than safe. This incident is >>>>>a perfect example of what can happen if someone has a wreck and >>>>>is incapacitated to the point where they cannot get out on >>>>>their own accord. Any bystanders who try to help cannot open >>>>>the door and must find an object to smash safety glass to gain >>>>>access. That wastes valuable time and is not that easy to do >>>>>anyway. >>>>> >>>>>Just as most other good intentions imposed upon the general >>>>>public this is one with unintended consequences that I think >>>>>she be re-examined. >>>>> >>>> >>>>Any door that locks automatically can unlock the same way. My car >>>>-- a 1994 model -- unlocks the doors, turns off the radio and >>>>turns on the flashers all by itself. Surely a new Cadillac can do >>>>the same, at a bare minimum. >>> >>>I had a 1994 Camry; it did not do the things you say. >>> >>> >> >>My '94 isn't a Toyota, but it's as luxury of a car that the Escalade >>is today. > > > So only people who can afford luxury cars are worthy of safety features > such as you describe? > > I didn't say that. It happens to be true of emerging technology -- clearly leveraging the airbag system in whole or in part to unlock the doors and turn on the flashers was an emerging technology in 1994. How long it takes for this stuff to become mainstream and provided to the masses is a fact of life. Electric windows and door locks was once a luxury that only the rich could afford. I don't understand what your point is. As long as you buy cars with handcranks on the windows and manual door locks, you are gonna miss out on lots of technology that automatically drives the safety features that some of us take for granted. It's economics my friend, nothing but economics.
From: Ray O on 8 Dec 2009 15:06 "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:xn0ginqet5k6cus002(a)reader.albasani.net... > Jeff Strickland wrote: > >> >>"badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >>news:xn0ginphx5iusos001(a)reader.albasani.net... >>>Jeff Strickland wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>"badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>news:xn0ginhpp58b36s000(a)reader.albasani.net... >>>>>"Woods' wife, Elin, has told police that she used a golf club to >>>>>smash the back windows of the Cadillac Escalade to help her >>>>>husband out." >>>>> >>>>>http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091208/ap_on_sp_go_ne/glf_tiger_woods >>>>> >>>>>------------------------------------------- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Putting aside all the titillating conversations and innuendos >>>>>about Tiger Woods and his personal life I would like to broach >>>>>a different subject related to him. >>>>> >>>>>Taking the news report at face value, in the above statement >>>>>Woods' wife reportedly used a golf club to break the window so >>>>>she could gain access to her unconscious husband following his >>>>>wreck. Obviously this GM vehicle has the automatic locks that >>>>>engage when the transmission is taken out of Park and locks all >>>>>the doors. I have always hated this "safety feature" and >>>>>frankly find it to be more unsafe than safe. This incident is >>>>>a perfect example of what can happen if someone has a wreck and >>>>>is incapacitated to the point where they cannot get out on >>>>>their own accord. Any bystanders who try to help cannot open >>>>>the door and must find an object to smash safety glass to gain >>>>>access. That wastes valuable time and is not that easy to do >>>>>anyway. >>>>> >>>>>Just as most other good intentions imposed upon the general >>>>>public this is one with unintended consequences that I think >>>>>she be re-examined. >>>>> >>>> >>>>Any door that locks automatically can unlock the same way. My car >>>>-- a 1994 model -- unlocks the doors, turns off the radio and >>>>turns on the flashers all by itself. Surely a new Cadillac can do >>>>the same, at a bare minimum. >>> >>>I had a 1994 Camry; it did not do the things you say. >>> >>> >> >>My '94 isn't a Toyota, but it's as luxury of a car that the Escalade >>is today. > > > So only people who can afford luxury cars are worthy of safety features > such as you describe? > > Not necessarily worthy, just fortunate. The door unlock trick was something that BMW and or Mercedes came up with, and I'm pretty sure that OnStar equipped vehicles also have a similar function. BMW and Mercedes have to justify a price that is triple or quadruple the price of a Toyota, then GM's OnStar came along and kind of took away one of those justifications. -- Ray O (correct punctuation to reply)
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