From: JoeSpareBedroom on 27 Oct 2009 14:27 What's to admit? That car shows happen and often contain old cars? That doesn't change the fact that a handful of old cars are statistically relevent. Sorry I used those big words. But it had to be done. "Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2(a)lycos,com> wrote in message news:4ae73a66$0$29602$ce5e7886(a)news-radius.ptd.net... > You certainly are entitled to your own opinion, Joe$#itForBrains, no mater > how convoluted it may be. At least you are admitting that what I posted > is factual LOL > > > "Joe$#itForBrains" <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote in message > news:XkGFm.6$qe6.5(a)newsfe14.iad... >> "Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2(a)lycos,com> wrote in message >> news:4ae72deb$0$18744$ce5e7886(a)news-radius.ptd.net... >>> If one really wants to see who actually has the vehicles with the longer >>> overall longevity, go to some of the old car shows. Seldom will one see >>> any of the Japanese sedans at those shows. >>> >>> Plenty of domestics sedans and sporty cars, as well as English and >>> European old cars, even Italian cars. Rarely will one see anything >>> from Toyota or the other Japanese manufactures, except a rare RX7or "Z" >>> car. >> >> >> Car shows are not a valid source of the statistics necessary for >> determining longevity. You either didn't take a stats course, or you >> failed the course you took. >> > >
From: Mike Hunter on 27 Oct 2009 14:49 What part of "OLD CARS shows," did you not understand, dummy? "Often contain OLD cars??? Are you really that slow, that's all they show at OLD car shows and the fact is old Jap cars are a rarity. Is it any wonder we call you Joe$#itForBrains. LOL "Joe$#itForBrains" <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote in message news:%XGFm.12$qe6.4(a)newsfe14.iad... > What's to admit? That car shows happen and often contain old cars? That > doesn't change the fact that a handful of old cars are statistically > relevent. > > Sorry I used those big words. But it had to be done. > > > > "Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2(a)lycos,com> wrote in message > news:4ae73a66$0$29602$ce5e7886(a)news-radius.ptd.net... >> You certainly are entitled to your own opinion, Joe$#itForBrains, no >> mater how convoluted it may be. At least you are admitting that what I >> posted is factual LOL >> >> >> "Joe$#itForBrains" <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote in message >> news:XkGFm.6$qe6.5(a)newsfe14.iad... >>> "Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2(a)lycos,com> wrote in message >>> news:4ae72deb$0$18744$ce5e7886(a)news-radius.ptd.net... >>>> If one really wants to see who actually has the vehicles with the >>>> longer overall longevity, go to some of the old car shows. Seldom will >>>> one see any of the Japanese sedans at those shows. >>>> >>>> Plenty of domestics sedans and sporty cars, as well as English and >>>> European old cars, even Italian cars. Rarely will one see anything >>>> from Toyota or the other Japanese manufactures, except a rare RX7or "Z" >>>> car. >>> >>> >>> Car shows are not a valid source of the statistics necessary for >>> determining longevity. You either didn't take a stats course, or you >>> failed the course you took. >>> >> >> > >
From: JoeSpareBedroom on 27 Oct 2009 14:58 Pick any single model & year of old car you love. Now, tell us the largest number of that car you've ever seen at ONE CAR SHOW. Because you are drunk & senile, I'll give you an example of how to answer the question: "I love 1970 Mercury Cougars, and I've seen two at a single car show." Go. "Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2(a)lycos,com> wrote in message news:4ae740b2$0$29572$ce5e7886(a)news-radius.ptd.net... > What part of "OLD CARS shows," did you not understand, dummy? "Often > contain OLD cars??? Are you really that slow, that's all they show at > OLD car shows and the fact is old Jap cars are a rarity. Is it any > wonder we call you Joe$#itForBrains. LOL > > > "Joe$#itForBrains" <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote in message > news:%XGFm.12$qe6.4(a)newsfe14.iad... >> What's to admit? That car shows happen and often contain old cars? That >> doesn't change the fact that a handful of old cars are statistically >> relevent. >> >> Sorry I used those big words. But it had to be done. >> >> >> >> "Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2(a)lycos,com> wrote in message >> news:4ae73a66$0$29602$ce5e7886(a)news-radius.ptd.net... >>> You certainly are entitled to your own opinion, Joe$#itForBrains, no >>> mater how convoluted it may be. At least you are admitting that what >>> I posted is factual LOL >>> >>> >>> "Joe$#itForBrains" <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote in message >>> news:XkGFm.6$qe6.5(a)newsfe14.iad... >>>> "Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2(a)lycos,com> wrote in message >>>> news:4ae72deb$0$18744$ce5e7886(a)news-radius.ptd.net... >>>>> If one really wants to see who actually has the vehicles with the >>>>> longer overall longevity, go to some of the old car shows. Seldom >>>>> will one see any of the Japanese sedans at those shows. >>>>> >>>>> Plenty of domestics sedans and sporty cars, as well as English and >>>>> European old cars, even Italian cars. Rarely will one see anything >>>>> from Toyota or the other Japanese manufactures, except a rare RX7or >>>>> "Z" car. >>>> >>>> >>>> Car shows are not a valid source of the statistics necessary for >>>> determining longevity. You either didn't take a stats course, or you >>>> failed the course you took. >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > >
From: N8N on 27 Oct 2009 15:19 On Oct 27, 11:04 am, "C. E. White" <cewhi...(a)removemindspring.com> wrote: > A Toyota commercial they are running in my area claims that 80% of all > Toyota sold in the last 20 years are still on the road. This seemed to > be a very low number to me. What do other think? Somewhere I remember seeing stats of vehicle survival broken down by mfgr - although I haven't a clue where I saw it now, and can't be arsed to look at the moment. IIRC the longest-lived vehicles aren't necessarily the ones you'd think - e.g. Porsche was near the top of the list. (of course, I'm contributing to that stat myself, although I also have a fairly aged F-150 as well.) nate
From: Michael on 27 Oct 2009 15:35
On Oct 27, 8:04 am, "C. E. White" <cewhi...(a)removemindspring.com> wrote: > A Toyota commercial they are running in my area claims that 80% of all > Toyota sold in the last 20 years are still on the road. This seemed to > be a very low number to me. What do other think? > > I would have thought given Toyota's increase in sales over the last > twenty years they would have had more like 90% of the cars sold in the > last 20 years still on the road. Toyota sales have been increasing > over the last twenty years, so a higher percentage of Toyotas will be > newer models. Since a high percentage of Toyotas are newer vehicles > that are more likely to still be on the road, the overall percentage > of Toyotas sold in the last 20 years will be higher (becasue of the > newer car bias). For GM, the math works the other way. GM sales have > been stagnent or actually declining over the last 20 years, so a > higher percentage of their cars will be older and therefore less > likely to still be on the road. I am sure the 80% number is based on > registrations, so it might be that it over estimates the number > actually in daily use - or under estimates it in cases where cars are > used off road (or illeagally) and not registered. > > Does anyone have any actual numbers? I am confident that 100% of the > NEW vehicles I purchased in the last 20 years are still on the road, > but maybe I am an exception. > > Here is sort of what I am thinking.....NOT REAL NUMBERS - > > For a manufacturer with increasing sales (5% increase per year) > > Year Original Percent Total > Sold Sales On road On Road > 1990 500000 33% 165000 > 1991 525000 38% 199500 > 1992 551250 43% 237038 > 1993 578813 48% 277830 > 1994 607753 53% 322109 > 1995 638141 58% 370122 > 1996 670048 63% 422130 > 1997 703550 68% 478414 > 1998 738728 72% 531884 > 1999 775664 76% 589505 > 2000 814447 80% 651558 > 2001 855170 84% 718343 > 2002 897928 88% 790177 > 2003 942825 91% 857970 > 2004 989966 93% 920668 > 2005 1039464 96% 997886 > 2006 1091437 97% 1058694 > 2007 1146009 98% 1123089 > 2008 1203310 99% 1191277 > 2009 1263475 99% 1250840 > Total 16532977 80% 13154033 > > For a manufacturer with slightly decreasing sales (1% decrease per > year), but same percent still on the road: > > 1990 1263475 33% 416947 > 1991 1250840 38% 475319 > 1992 1238332 43% 532483 > 1993 1225949 48% 588455 > 1994 1213689 53% 643255 > 1995 1201552 58% 696900 > 1996 1189537 63% 749408 > 1997 1177641 68% 800796 > 1998 1165865 72% 839423 > 1999 1154206 76% 877197 > 2000 1142664 80% 914131 > 2001 1131238 84% 950240 > 2002 1119925 88% 985534 > 2003 1108726 91% 1008941 > 2004 1097639 93% 1020804 > 2005 1086662 96% 1043196 > 2006 1075796 97% 1043522 > 2007 1065038 98% 1043737 > 2008 1054387 99% 1043843 > 2009 1043843 99% 1033405 > Total 23007003 73% 16707535 > > The net is, manufacturers that have similar reliability can have > significantly different percentages of vehicles built in the last 20 > years still on the road. Ergo, the Toyota's ad claim is at best > meaningless, at worst deliberately misleading....but then I've always > assumed that the Chevy (or sometimes Dodge) ads that clam their trucks > are the most reliable and longest lasting (based on registration data) > are deliberately misleading. So, I don't think Toyota is being > espeically misleading, but I wonder how many people understand the ad? > I'll bet many people think Toyota is saying 80% of 20 year old Toyotas > are still on the road, instead of 80% of the Toyotas sold in the last > twenty years....isn't marketing wonderful. There is a huge difference > in the two statements. > > Ed You might try digging in the www.census.gov website. Not sure how much this will help you: http://www.census.gov/svsd/www/vius/2002.html Good luck, Michael |