From: JoeSpareBedroom on
What's to admit? That car shows happen and often contain old cars? That
doesn't change the fact that a handful of old cars are statistically
relevent.

Sorry I used those big words. But it had to be done.



"Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2(a)lycos,com> wrote in message
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> You certainly are entitled to your own opinion, Joe$#itForBrains, no mater
> how convoluted it may be. At least you are admitting that what I posted
> is factual LOL
>
>
> "Joe$#itForBrains" <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote in message
> news:XkGFm.6$qe6.5(a)newsfe14.iad...
>> "Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2(a)lycos,com> wrote in message
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>>> If one really wants to see who actually has the vehicles with the longer
>>> overall longevity, go to some of the old car shows. Seldom will one see
>>> any of the Japanese sedans at those shows.
>>>
>>> Plenty of domestics sedans and sporty cars, as well as English and
>>> European old cars, even Italian cars. Rarely will one see anything
>>> from Toyota or the other Japanese manufactures, except a rare RX7or "Z"
>>> car.
>>
>>
>> Car shows are not a valid source of the statistics necessary for
>> determining longevity. You either didn't take a stats course, or you
>> failed the course you took.
>>
>
>


From: Mike Hunter on
What part of "OLD CARS shows," did you not understand, dummy? "Often
contain OLD cars??? Are you really that slow, that's all they show at
OLD car shows and the fact is old Jap cars are a rarity. Is it any wonder
we call you Joe$#itForBrains. LOL


"Joe$#itForBrains" <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote in message
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> What's to admit? That car shows happen and often contain old cars? That
> doesn't change the fact that a handful of old cars are statistically
> relevent.
>
> Sorry I used those big words. But it had to be done.
>
>
>
> "Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2(a)lycos,com> wrote in message
> news:4ae73a66$0$29602$ce5e7886(a)news-radius.ptd.net...
>> You certainly are entitled to your own opinion, Joe$#itForBrains, no
>> mater how convoluted it may be. At least you are admitting that what I
>> posted is factual LOL
>>
>>
>> "Joe$#itForBrains" <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote in message
>> news:XkGFm.6$qe6.5(a)newsfe14.iad...
>>> "Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2(a)lycos,com> wrote in message
>>> news:4ae72deb$0$18744$ce5e7886(a)news-radius.ptd.net...
>>>> If one really wants to see who actually has the vehicles with the
>>>> longer overall longevity, go to some of the old car shows. Seldom will
>>>> one see any of the Japanese sedans at those shows.
>>>>
>>>> Plenty of domestics sedans and sporty cars, as well as English and
>>>> European old cars, even Italian cars. Rarely will one see anything
>>>> from Toyota or the other Japanese manufactures, except a rare RX7or "Z"
>>>> car.
>>>
>>>
>>> Car shows are not a valid source of the statistics necessary for
>>> determining longevity. You either didn't take a stats course, or you
>>> failed the course you took.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>


From: JoeSpareBedroom on
Pick any single model & year of old car you love. Now, tell us the largest
number of that car you've ever seen at ONE CAR SHOW.

Because you are drunk & senile, I'll give you an example of how to answer
the question:

"I love 1970 Mercury Cougars, and I've seen two at a single car show."

Go.



"Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2(a)lycos,com> wrote in message
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> What part of "OLD CARS shows," did you not understand, dummy? "Often
> contain OLD cars??? Are you really that slow, that's all they show at
> OLD car shows and the fact is old Jap cars are a rarity. Is it any
> wonder we call you Joe$#itForBrains. LOL
>
>
> "Joe$#itForBrains" <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote in message
> news:%XGFm.12$qe6.4(a)newsfe14.iad...
>> What's to admit? That car shows happen and often contain old cars? That
>> doesn't change the fact that a handful of old cars are statistically
>> relevent.
>>
>> Sorry I used those big words. But it had to be done.
>>
>>
>>
>> "Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2(a)lycos,com> wrote in message
>> news:4ae73a66$0$29602$ce5e7886(a)news-radius.ptd.net...
>>> You certainly are entitled to your own opinion, Joe$#itForBrains, no
>>> mater how convoluted it may be. At least you are admitting that what
>>> I posted is factual LOL
>>>
>>>
>>> "Joe$#itForBrains" <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote in message
>>> news:XkGFm.6$qe6.5(a)newsfe14.iad...
>>>> "Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2(a)lycos,com> wrote in message
>>>> news:4ae72deb$0$18744$ce5e7886(a)news-radius.ptd.net...
>>>>> If one really wants to see who actually has the vehicles with the
>>>>> longer overall longevity, go to some of the old car shows. Seldom
>>>>> will one see any of the Japanese sedans at those shows.
>>>>>
>>>>> Plenty of domestics sedans and sporty cars, as well as English and
>>>>> European old cars, even Italian cars. Rarely will one see anything
>>>>> from Toyota or the other Japanese manufactures, except a rare RX7or
>>>>> "Z" car.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Car shows are not a valid source of the statistics necessary for
>>>> determining longevity. You either didn't take a stats course, or you
>>>> failed the course you took.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>


From: N8N on
On Oct 27, 11:04 am, "C. E. White" <cewhi...(a)removemindspring.com>
wrote:
> A Toyota commercial they are running in my area claims that 80% of all
> Toyota sold in the last 20 years are still on the road. This seemed to
> be a very low number to me. What do other think?

Somewhere I remember seeing stats of vehicle survival broken down by
mfgr - although I haven't a clue where I saw it now, and can't be
arsed to look at the moment. IIRC the longest-lived vehicles aren't
necessarily the ones you'd think - e.g. Porsche was near the top of
the list. (of course, I'm contributing to that stat myself, although
I also have a fairly aged F-150 as well.)

nate
From: Michael on
On Oct 27, 8:04 am, "C. E. White" <cewhi...(a)removemindspring.com>
wrote:
> A Toyota commercial they are running in my area claims that 80% of all
> Toyota sold in the last 20 years are still on the road. This seemed to
> be a very low number to me. What do other think?
>
> I would have thought given Toyota's increase in sales over the last
> twenty years they would have had more like 90% of the cars sold in the
> last 20 years still on the road. Toyota sales have been increasing
> over the last twenty years, so a higher percentage of Toyotas will be
> newer models. Since a high percentage of Toyotas are newer vehicles
> that are more likely to still be on the road, the overall percentage
> of Toyotas sold in the last 20 years will be higher (becasue of the
> newer car bias). For GM, the math works the other way. GM sales have
> been stagnent or actually declining over the last 20 years, so a
> higher percentage of their cars will be older and therefore less
> likely to still be on the road. I am sure the 80% number is based on
> registrations, so it might be that it over estimates the number
> actually in daily use - or under estimates it in cases where cars are
> used off road (or illeagally) and not registered.
>
> Does anyone have any actual numbers? I am confident that 100% of the
> NEW vehicles I purchased in the last 20 years are still on the road,
> but maybe I am an exception.
>
> Here is sort of what I am thinking.....NOT REAL NUMBERS -
>
> For a manufacturer with increasing sales (5% increase per year)
>
> Year     Original   Percent    Total
> Sold     Sales      On road    On Road
> 1990     500000     33%      165000
> 1991     525000     38%      199500
> 1992     551250     43%      237038
> 1993     578813     48%      277830
> 1994     607753      53%     322109
> 1995     638141      58%     370122
> 1996     670048      63%     422130
> 1997     703550      68%     478414
> 1998     738728      72%     531884
> 1999     775664      76%     589505
> 2000     814447      80%     651558
> 2001     855170      84%     718343
> 2002     897928      88%     790177
> 2003     942825      91%     857970
> 2004     989966      93%     920668
> 2005   1039464      96%     997886
> 2006   1091437      97%    1058694
> 2007   1146009      98%    1123089
> 2008   1203310      99%    1191277
> 2009   1263475      99%    1250840
> Total  16532977     80%  13154033
>
> For a manufacturer with slightly decreasing sales (1% decrease per
> year), but same percent still on the road:
>
> 1990     1263475     33%     416947
> 1991     1250840     38%     475319
> 1992     1238332     43%     532483
> 1993     1225949     48%     588455
> 1994     1213689     53%     643255
> 1995     1201552     58%     696900
> 1996     1189537     63%     749408
> 1997     1177641     68%     800796
> 1998     1165865     72%     839423
> 1999     1154206     76%     877197
> 2000     1142664     80%     914131
> 2001     1131238     84%     950240
> 2002     1119925     88%     985534
> 2003     1108726     91%     1008941
> 2004     1097639     93%     1020804
> 2005     1086662     96%     1043196
> 2006     1075796     97%     1043522
> 2007     1065038     98%     1043737
> 2008     1054387     99%     1043843
> 2009     1043843     99%     1033405
> Total   23007003     73%   16707535
>
> The net is, manufacturers that have similar reliability can have
> significantly different percentages of vehicles built in the last 20
> years still on the road. Ergo, the Toyota's ad claim is at best
> meaningless, at worst deliberately misleading....but then I've always
> assumed that the Chevy (or sometimes Dodge) ads that clam their trucks
> are the most reliable and longest lasting (based on registration data)
> are deliberately misleading. So, I don't think Toyota is being
> espeically misleading, but I wonder how many people understand the ad?
> I'll bet many people think Toyota is saying 80% of 20 year old Toyotas
> are still on the road, instead of 80% of the Toyotas sold in the last
> twenty years....isn't marketing wonderful. There is a huge difference
> in the two statements.
>
> Ed


You might try digging in the www.census.gov website.

Not sure how much this will help you: http://www.census.gov/svsd/www/vius/2002.html

Good luck,

Michael