From: Jeff Strickland on

"Mark" <bogusmailmark(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> How's that Hope and Change workin' for ya, Stupid Dim Obama-bots?
> Still drinking the Kool-Aid or have you had enough?

Obama. Isn't he the guy that said without the stimulus, unemployment would
hit 8%? Maybe we coulda saved some money and some jobs WITHOUT the stimulus.







From: Hachiroku ハチロク on
On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 16:12:11 -0800, Jeff Strickland wrote:

>
> "Mark" <bogusmailmark(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:0fbc693a-3adb-4bf1-9394-c8a6a62f2e3b(a)k17g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
>> How's that Hope and Change workin' for ya, Stupid Dim Obama-bots? Still
>> drinking the Kool-Aid or have you had enough?
>
> Obama. Isn't he the guy that said without the stimulus, unemployment would
> hit 8%? Maybe we coulda saved some money and some jobs WITHOUT the
> stimulus.

More than likely...



From: dr_jeff on
Hachiroku ハチロク wrote:
> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 16:12:11 -0800, Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
>> "Mark" <bogusmailmark(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:0fbc693a-3adb-4bf1-9394-c8a6a62f2e3b(a)k17g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
>>> How's that Hope and Change workin' for ya, Stupid Dim Obama-bots? Still
>>> drinking the Kool-Aid or have you had enough?
>> Obama. Isn't he the guy that said without the stimulus, unemployment would
>> hit 8%? Maybe we coulda saved some money and some jobs WITHOUT the
>> stimulus.
>
> More than likely...

That's a stupid argument. Hindsight is 20/20 they say. Of course, we
could never have known how high unemployment would be without the
stimulus. But the stimulus resulted in many jobs being saved in schools
and other government departments, more construction and other jobs and
more scientists studying diseases.

Clearly the early figures were inaccurate. However, without the stimulus
plan, we would be in even deeper doo-doo.

Btw, the real unemployment and underemployment rate is more like 17 or
18%. The unemployment rate includes only those who are looking for work.
In doesn't include those who would like work or work part time and want
more work.

Jeff
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on
On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 07:19:33 -0500, dr_jeff wrote:

>
> Hachiroku ハチロク wrote:
>> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 16:12:11 -0800, Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>
>>> "Mark" <bogusmailmark(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:0fbc693a-3adb-4bf1-9394-c8a6a62f2e3b(a)k17g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
>>>> How's that Hope and Change workin' for ya, Stupid Dim Obama-bots?
>>>> Still drinking the Kool-Aid or have you had enough?
>>> Obama. Isn't he the guy that said without the stimulus, unemployment
>>> would hit 8%? Maybe we coulda saved some money and some jobs WITHOUT
>>> the stimulus.
>>
>> More than likely...
>
> That's a stupid argument. Hindsight is 20/20 they say. Of course, we could
> never have known how high unemployment would be without the stimulus.


Obama did. He unequivocally said unemplyment would reach 10% without the
stimulus package, and if the package were passed it would hold
unemployment to approx. 8%.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgce06Yw2ro


From: Mike Hunter on
Are you referring to the "450 teaching jobs in North Chicago," that BO said
were SAVED by the stimulus bill? The same Chicago school District that has
less than 300 TEACHERS, according the Herald News papers? Those teaching
jobs, dr_jeff? LOL

Reminds one of the 130 jobs that were "SAVED" on a repaving job in Luzern
County Pennsylvania. It seems the job was already contracted by Penn DOT
and scheduled to be started, as soon as the temperature reach the point at
which blacktop could be laid. That Job was listed among the "shovel ready"
jobs that were started only because of the federal money.

According to a local newspaper, Congressmen Paul Kanjorski (D) notified
Governor Rendell (D) that for the additional price of a sign, giving credit
to the stimulus bill, the feds would pay 75% of the cost of the job and the
sign.




"dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message news:4AF565D5.70904(a)msu.edu...
> Hachiroku ???? wrote:
>> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 16:12:11 -0800, Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>
>>> "Mark" <bogusmailmark(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:0fbc693a-3adb-4bf1-9394-c8a6a62f2e3b(a)k17g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
>>>> How's that Hope and Change workin' for ya, Stupid Dim Obama-bots? Still
>>>> drinking the Kool-Aid or have you had enough?
>>> Obama. Isn't he the guy that said without the stimulus, unemployment
>>> would
>>> hit 8%? Maybe we coulda saved some money and some jobs WITHOUT the
>>> stimulus.
>>
>> More than likely...
>
> That's a stupid argument. Hindsight is 20/20 they say. Of course, we could
> never have known how high unemployment would be without the stimulus. But
> the stimulus resulted in many jobs being saved in schools and other
> government departments, more construction and other jobs and more
> scientists studying diseases.
>
> Jeff
>