From: john on 28 Apr 2010 22:56 Not another recall! Toyota is becoming like the Old Detroit. No wonder their cars are running out of control. "Toyota will recall some 50,000 Sequoia sport-utility vehicles from the 2003 model year to fix traction controls that unexpectedly switch on the automakers eighth recall in the United States this year. The problem is not linked to any reports of injuries or crashes. It does involve flaws in the sensors used by the vehicles electronic controls, a key point of contention in the debate over thousands of sudden acceleration cases. And as recently as February, Toyota was telling federal regulators the problem was not a safety defect. The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration has been probing the problem since 2008, and said last year it had received 68 complaints from Sequoia owners of their cars slowing down unexpectedly, sometimes in traffic. " Full article: http://www.freep.com/article/20100428/BUSINESS01/100428045/1210/BUSINESS01/Toyota-to-recall-50000-2003-Sequoia-SUVs
From: hls on 29 Apr 2010 08:26 "john" <johngdole(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:58372afc-80b5-48a8- The problem is not linked to any reports of injuries or crashes. *********The excerpt above is one large way that this recall is different from Detroit.. Toyota recalled our car to replace an oil line that "might" be prone to fail. That is far different from the way GM handled the "born to fail" plenum issue.
From: Ad absurdum per aspera on 29 Apr 2010 15:10 > That is far different from the way GM handled the "born to fail" plenum > issue. I wonder, also, how Toyota is really doing statistically. A lot of attention is focused upon them at this time. But... are they really issuing more recalls as a percentage of the cars sold, averaged over some nontrivial time period, at high levels of importance, than other makers of today's insanely complex and highly electronic cars? --Joe
From: C. E. White on 30 Apr 2010 08:02 "hls" <hls(a)nospam.nix> wrote in message news:AYydnRP7qNqS5kTWnZ2dnUVZ_o-dnZ2d(a)giganews.com... > > "john" <johngdole(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:58372afc-80b5-48a8- > The problem is not linked to any reports of injuries or crashes. > > *********The excerpt above is one large way that this recall is > different > from Detroit.. Toyota recalled our car to replace an oil line > that "might" > be prone to fail. > > That is far different from the way GM handled the "born to fail" > plenum > issue. Safety issue vs Customer Satisfaction issue. Seems to me Toyota screwed many Customers over the engine sludge problems. I think that would be more accurate comparison to the GM problem with intake manifolds (BTW, a freind of mine has two older Buicks and has never had an intake manifold problem, so it wasn't a 100% failure rate). The GM response to the uproar over intake manifold problems was almost identical to the Toyota response to sludge problems - i.e., It is your fault. If you took really really really good car of your car, you wouldn't have a problem. Ed
From: hls on 30 Apr 2010 09:02 "C. E. White" <cewhite3(a)mindspring.com> wrote in message > The GM response to the uproar over intake manifold problems was almost > identical to the Toyota response to sludge problems - i.e., It is your > fault. If you took really really really good car of your car, you > wouldn't have a problem. > > Ed They couldnt even say that about the plenum issue. And the plenum issue wasnt a safety issue....or was it? Apparently the Sequoia issue isnt a safety issue either, as there have been no problems because of it...or have there been?
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