From: FatterDumber& Happier Moe on
dr_jeff wrote:
> john wrote:
>> Yeah, I think all the recent problems are likely computer related.
>> These ECUs just aren't up to their tasks.
>
> Really. The ECUs definitely have problems, but please show us a better
> way that doesn't involve electronics. Carbs worked well, but wasted
> fuel. Without electronics, are air would be dirtier, we would use more
> fuel.
>
> Please suggest a better way.
>
> Jeff
>
>> The problem, according to NHTSA, may be linked to onboard computers.
>> "The agency indicates
>> the problem could be linked to the onboard computer, or electronic
>> control module. "
>>
>>
>> http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20091205/AUTO01/912050334/1148/auto01/Feds-probe-stalling-reports-in-2-Toyota-models
>>

Carburetors worked well? How soon we forget. Hard starting in the
winter, flooding in the summer, the cars had to run over rich when cold
so they would stay running, sticking chokes, worn accelerator pumps,
carburetor kits, adjusting idle speed and mixture, those were the good
old days. Starters seldom made it to 60,000 miles, go back a little
further, points, condensers, tune ups, spark plugs every 10K miles.
Give me the computers and electronics any day, well except for this
electric/electronic steering thing, I'm not so sure about that, but come
to think of it, I wasn't so sure about electronic fuel injection when
it came out.
From: dr_jeff on
FatterDumber& Happier Moe wrote:
> dr_jeff wrote:
>> john wrote:
>>> Yeah, I think all the recent problems are likely computer related.
>>> These ECUs just aren't up to their tasks.
>>
>> Really. The ECUs definitely have problems, but please show us a better
>> way that doesn't involve electronics. Carbs worked well, but wasted
>> fuel. Without electronics, are air would be dirtier, we would use more
>> fuel.
>>
>> Please suggest a better way.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>>> The problem, according to NHTSA, may be linked to onboard computers.
>>> "The agency indicates
>>> the problem could be linked to the onboard computer, or electronic
>>> control module. "
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20091205/AUTO01/912050334/1148/auto01/Feds-probe-stalling-reports-in-2-Toyota-models
>>>
>
> Carburetors worked well? How soon we forget. Hard starting in the
> winter, flooding in the summer, the cars had to run over rich when cold
> so they would stay running, sticking chokes, worn accelerator pumps,
> carburetor kits, adjusting idle speed and mixture, those were the good
> old days. Starters seldom made it to 60,000 miles, go back a little
> further, points, condensers, tune ups, spark plugs every 10K miles. Give
> me the computers and electronics any day, well except for this
> electric/electronic steering thing, I'm not so sure about that, but come
> to think of it, I wasn't so sure about electronic fuel injection when
> it came out.

You made my point exactly. Carbs did work well compared to the
alternatives, though. They were also a pain in the back. And, they
helped me go to college (my dad had an autoparts store). Let's not
forget how the carbs help gas get into the oil, which sold more oil.
And, helped destroy bearings, which was my bread and butter (literally).

Jeff
From: Nate Nagel on
FatterDumber& Happier Moe wrote:
> dr_jeff wrote:
>> john wrote:
>>> Yeah, I think all the recent problems are likely computer related.
>>> These ECUs just aren't up to their tasks.
>>
>> Really. The ECUs definitely have problems, but please show us a better
>> way that doesn't involve electronics. Carbs worked well, but wasted
>> fuel. Without electronics, are air would be dirtier, we would use more
>> fuel.
>>
>> Please suggest a better way.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>>> The problem, according to NHTSA, may be linked to onboard computers.
>>> "The agency indicates
>>> the problem could be linked to the onboard computer, or electronic
>>> control module. "
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20091205/AUTO01/912050334/1148/auto01/Feds-probe-stalling-reports-in-2-Toyota-models
>>>
>
> Carburetors worked well? How soon we forget. Hard starting in the
> winter, flooding in the summer, the cars had to run over rich when cold
> so they would stay running, sticking chokes, worn accelerator pumps,
> carburetor kits, adjusting idle speed and mixture, those were the good
> old days. Starters seldom made it to 60,000 miles, go back a little
> further, points, condensers, tune ups, spark plugs every 10K miles. Give
> me the computers and electronics any day, well except for this
> electric/electronic steering thing, I'm not so sure about that, but come
> to think of it, I wasn't so sure about electronic fuel injection when
> it came out.

I have no problem with electronics, I wish they were just a little more
robust.

And I remember carbs too, but I don't remember having all that many
problems with them. Only one that really sucked was the 2bbl Rochester
on my dad's Chevy pickup; eventually replaced it with a Q-jet so it
didn't have to be kitted every year. Like clockwork, about a year after
you kitted it, the float would start sticking to the bottom of the bowl.

nate

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From: dr_jeff on
hls wrote:
>
> "hls" <hls(a)nospam.nix> wrote in message
> news:v76dnf27TfF73IHWnZ2dnUVZ_qmdnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
>>
> . Fluids computers might have
>> been able to take some of the trouble out of the system.
>
> Should have been"fluidic computers".

What do you mean by "fluidic computers"?
From: someone on
In article <4b1bf8f9$0$5354$bbae4d71(a)news.suddenlink.net>, FatterDumber& Happier Moe <"WheresMyCheck"@UncleSamLoves.Mee> wrote:
>dr_jeff wrote:
>> john wrote:
>>> Yeah, I think all the recent problems are likely computer related.
>>> These ECUs just aren't up to their tasks.
>>
>> Really. The ECUs definitely have problems, but please show us a better
>> way that doesn't involve electronics. Carbs worked well, but wasted
>> fuel. Without electronics, are air would be dirtier, we would use more
>> fuel.
>>
>> Please suggest a better way.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>>> The problem, according to NHTSA, may be linked to onboard computers.
>>> "The agency indicates
>>> the problem could be linked to the onboard computer, or electronic
>>> control module. "
>>>
>>>
>>>
> http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20091205/AUTO01/912050334/1148/auto01/Feds-
>probe-stalling-reports-in-2-Toyota-models
>>>
>
> Carburetors worked well? How soon we forget. Hard starting in the
>winter, flooding in the summer, the cars had to run over rich when cold
>so they would stay running, sticking chokes, worn accelerator pumps,
>carburetor kits, adjusting idle speed and mixture, those were the good
>old days. Starters seldom made it to 60,000 miles, go back a little
>further, points, condensers, tune ups, spark plugs every 10K miles.
>Give me the computers and electronics any day, well except for this
>electric/electronic steering thing, I'm not so sure about that, but come
>to think of it, I wasn't so sure about electronic fuel injection when
>it came out.

uh, get a horse?