From: jr92 on
On Jan 26, 7:37 pm, Hachiroku ハチロク <Tru...(a)e86.GTS> wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 21:07:03 -0800, jr92 wrote:
> > What they are doing now is is simply a PR move.
>
> > Many are considering it to be a desperation tactic.
>
> > Time will tell if their PR move pays off.
>
> > Myself,
>
> > I value my loved ones' well-being too much to risk putting them into the
> > likes of a Toyota.
>
> Really? What DO you put them into?
>


Good old GM cars.



Perform better in crash tests than their Japanese counterparts.




Are more fuel effecient than their Japanese counterparts.




Have much better performance than their Japanese counterparts.




Are not recalled nearly as often as their Japanese counterparts.




Engines dont sludge, suspensions dont rust, and throttles dont stick
wide open nearly as often as their Japanese counterparts.




> My last Toyota was recalled for...
>
> the antenna not mounted to the body correctly, which may cause static on
> the radio.
>




And my last Pontiac was recalled for an external thermometer guage not
reading accuractly.





> With Ford sticking stickers on the dash saying, This car may go into
> reverse at any time...





Of course, certain Toyotas could have used a sticker warning drivers
that the throttle could stick wide open at any time.



>
> Chevy making rolling blunders
>




And certain Toyotas rolling over, period.




> I'll stick to Toytota. They aren't perfect, but about as close as you can
> get at a good price.



Prices on many models are certain to go up, due to shortages, because,
at least for the time being, they arent being made anymore. (I guess
there goes your "good price")


There is a rumor going about that the vechicles throttles may stick
open. making them too dangerous to drive.


I guess that proves they "aren/t perfect."







In my books, that is FAR from being perfect.
From: Mike Hunter on
What manufacturer ever refused to fix vehicles with a safety issue?


"SMS" <scharf.steven(a)geemail.com> wrote in message
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> jr92 wrote:
>
>> Myself,
>>
>> I value my loved ones' well-being too much to risk putting them into
>> the likes of a Toyota.
>
> Yeah, you want to put them into a vehicle where the manufacturer fights
> to the end to not fix safety issues, not one where the manufacturer
> acknowledges potential problems and fixes them.
>
> What an idiot.


From: Tom on


"Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2(a)lycos,com> wrote in message
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> What manufacturer ever refused to fix vehicles with a safety issue?
>
>
> "SMS" <scharf.steven(a)geemail.com> wrote in message
> news:4b5fdd40$0$1588$742ec2ed(a)news.sonic.net...
>> jr92 wrote:
>>
>>> Myself,
>>>
>>> I value my loved ones' well-being too much to risk putting them into
>>> the likes of a Toyota.
>>
>> Yeah, you want to put them into a vehicle where the manufacturer fights
>> to the end to not fix safety issues, not one where the manufacturer
>> acknowledges potential problems and fixes them.
>>
>> What an idiot.
>
>All Hail Toyota I will stick behind them to the end, or at least until they
>finish raping America while
closing their markets. fixing the price of their yen, Just remember
these people do not like us only our money
and the protection we provide. name something they have done for us.

From: Mike Hunter on
They "gave" is Sochi?

"Tom" <tc(a)comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
>
> "Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2(a)lycos,com> wrote in message
> news:4b607425$0$24800$ce5e7886(a)news-radius.ptd.net...
>> What manufacturer ever refused to fix vehicles with a safety issue?
>>
>>
>> "SMS" <scharf.steven(a)geemail.com> wrote in message
>> news:4b5fdd40$0$1588$742ec2ed(a)news.sonic.net...
>>> jr92 wrote:
>>>
>>>> Myself,
>>>>
>>>> I value my loved ones' well-being too much to risk putting them into
>>>> the likes of a Toyota.
>>>
>>> Yeah, you want to put them into a vehicle where the manufacturer fights
>>> to the end to not fix safety issues, not one where the manufacturer
>>> acknowledges potential problems and fixes them.
>>>
>>> What an idiot.
>>
>>All Hail Toyota I will stick behind them to the end, or at least until
>>they finish raping America while
> closing their markets. fixing the price of their yen, Just remember
> these people do not like us only our money
> and the protection we provide. name something they have done for us.


From: Tom on


"Sir F. A. Rien" <jaSPAMc(a)gbr.online.com> wrote in message
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> "Tom" Tom the piper's son <tc(a)comcast.net> found these unused words:
>
>>"Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2(a)lycos,com> wrote in message
>>news:4b607425$0$24800$ce5e7886(a)news-radius.ptd.net...
>>> What manufacturer ever refused to fix vehicles with a safety issue?
>>>
>>>
>>> "SMS" <scharf.steven(a)geemail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4b5fdd40$0$1588$742ec2ed(a)news.sonic.net...
>>>> jr92 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Myself,
>>>>>
>>>>> I value my loved ones' well-being too much to risk putting them into
>>>>> the likes of a Toyota.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, you want to put them into a vehicle where the manufacturer fights
>>>> to the end to not fix safety issues, not one where the manufacturer
>>>> acknowledges potential problems and fixes them.
>>>>
>>>> What an idiot.
>>>
>> All Hail Toyota I will stick behind them to the end, or at least until
>> they
>> finish raping America while
>> closing their markets. fixing the price of their yen, Just remember
>> these people do not like us only our money
>> and the protection we provide. name something they have done for us.
>
> Guess you missed the information that they make the cars in the US and
> supply US workers with a living?
>
> That's as against Flipping Ford who assembles in MEXICO with foreign made
> parts.
>
> Remember to salute [right arm extended] when you look at a Chrysler
> product.
Toyota has only known about this problem since2007
>
Toyota first identified problems with the accelerator pedals on its Tundra
pickup in March 2007. After months of testing, the company determined that
the problem was caused by the material in the accelerators' friction lever
and made a change.

At that time, Toyota considered it to be a drivability issue unrelated to
safety, according to its filing with the U.S. National Highway Traffic
Safety Administration. A similar issue then arose in Europe in December 2008
in the right-hand-drive versions of two small Toyota cars, the Aygo and
Yaris.

The company's investigation found that condensation from heaters caused
increased friction in the gas pedal, making it stick in some cases. Toyota
lengthened the arm of the friction lever and changed its materials on all
vehicles produced in Europe using the subject accelerator pedals starting in
mid-August 2009.

Beginning in October last year, Toyota became aware of sticking accelerator
pedals in the U.S. and Canada. The company realized that the material used
in