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From: john on 4 Mar 2010 21:42 That must be Toyota's way of taking the 5th! Before she died, the 5-foot-2, 125-pound woman told relatives she was practically standing with both feet on the brake pedal but could not stop the car from slamming into a building. Records confirm that emergency personnel found Grossman with both feet on the brake pedal. Toyota has for years blocked access to data stored in devices similar to airline "black boxes" that could explain crashes blamed on sudden unintended acceleration, according to an Associated Press review of lawsuits nationwide and interviews with auto crash experts. Full article at: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/AP-IMPACT-Toyota-secretive-on-apf-1294427692.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=1&asset=&ccode=
From: Jeff Strickland on 4 Mar 2010 21:49 "john" <johngdole(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:0dbebe1e-d08d-4e40-94b0-f3708655765e(a)c37g2000prb.googlegroups.com... > That must be Toyota's way of taking the 5th! > > Before she died, the 5-foot-2, 125-pound woman told relatives she was > practically standing with both feet on the brake pedal but could not > stop the car from slamming into a building. Records confirm that > emergency personnel found Grossman with both feet on the brake pedal. > > Toyota has for years blocked access to data stored in devices similar > to airline "black boxes" that could explain crashes blamed on sudden > unintended acceleration, according to an Associated Press review of > lawsuits nationwide and interviews with auto crash experts. > > Full article at: > http://finance.yahoo.com/news/AP-IMPACT-Toyota-secretive-on-apf-1294427692.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=1&asset=&ccode= > It's time that black box data comes into the public domain. Just like OBD II data has been found to be public domain, black box data should be public domain as well. It's my car, it's my data.
From: Scott Dorsey on 4 Mar 2010 22:12 john <johngdole(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >Toyota has for years blocked access to data stored in devices similar >to airline "black boxes" that could explain crashes blamed on sudden >unintended acceleration, according to an Associated Press review of >lawsuits nationwide and interviews with auto crash experts. ALL car manufacturers consider this proprietary information. You're lucky that they even use the standard OBD-II codes and they wouldn't even do that if the government didn't require them. ANY information beyond the standard codes is proprietary. Many people have reverse engineered the data for a lot of cars and so you can get historical data with many scanners, but the actual interrogation codes are proprietary because people could... horrors... use them to actually fix cars without taking them to the dealer. Next thing you know you'll be asking them to make ECM source code public. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
From: Ray O on 4 Mar 2010 22:34 "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrjeff(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:hmprgv$srb$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > > "john" <johngdole(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:0dbebe1e-d08d-4e40-94b0-f3708655765e(a)c37g2000prb.googlegroups.com... >> That must be Toyota's way of taking the 5th! >> >> Before she died, the 5-foot-2, 125-pound woman told relatives she was >> practically standing with both feet on the brake pedal but could not >> stop the car from slamming into a building. Records confirm that >> emergency personnel found Grossman with both feet on the brake pedal. >> >> Toyota has for years blocked access to data stored in devices similar >> to airline "black boxes" that could explain crashes blamed on sudden >> unintended acceleration, according to an Associated Press review of >> lawsuits nationwide and interviews with auto crash experts. >> >> Full article at: >> http://finance.yahoo.com/news/AP-IMPACT-Toyota-secretive-on-apf-1294427692.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=1&asset=&ccode= >> > > It's time that black box data comes into the public domain. Just like OBD > II data has been found to be public domain, black box data should be > public domain as well. > > It's my car, it's my data. > EDR's will become required equipment soon, the regulations are already in place. -- Ray O (correct punctuation to reply)
From: dsi1 on 4 Mar 2010 22:46
On 3/4/2010 4:49 PM, Jeff Strickland wrote: > "john"<johngdole(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:0dbebe1e-d08d-4e40-94b0-f3708655765e(a)c37g2000prb.googlegroups.com... >> That must be Toyota's way of taking the 5th! >> >> Before she died, the 5-foot-2, 125-pound woman told relatives she was >> practically standing with both feet on the brake pedal but could not >> stop the car from slamming into a building. Records confirm that >> emergency personnel found Grossman with both feet on the brake pedal. >> >> Toyota has for years blocked access to data stored in devices similar >> to airline "black boxes" that could explain crashes blamed on sudden >> unintended acceleration, according to an Associated Press review of >> lawsuits nationwide and interviews with auto crash experts. >> >> Full article at: >> http://finance.yahoo.com/news/AP-IMPACT-Toyota-secretive-on-apf-1294427692.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=1&asset=&ccode= >> > > It's time that black box data comes into the public domain. Just like OBD II > data has been found to be public domain, black box data should be public > domain as well. > > It's my car, it's my data. The data is available to you now. I see no reason why you couldn't hook up a laptop to your present car and record everything at the data port in real time. There's probably a market for a recorder that is simply plugged into the port for later uploading although I doubt that most people would actually buy something like that. But not to worry, your car will soon be sending out data while you're driving. Recording data is easy now that all the subsystems on cars are being monitored. Add GPS and wireless capabilities and you're on your way to a brighter future. :-) Soon we'll be able to track most any car and pull info on it. You might be able to pull data from it too but I'm not so sure that it's gonna be your data. I think the government and the automobile manufacturers may have first dibs on that one. :-) > > > > > > > |