From: PerfectReign on
On Sat, 05 Sep 2009 14:24:50 -0400, Mike fired up the etcha-a-sketch and
scratched out:

> I have no idea where you get your information but the fact is the
> highest sales figures ever, for vehicles in the US, was nearly
> 19,000,000 in 2007.

And unfortunately, many morons bought their cars/trucks with cash
obtained from refinancing their over-valued homes.

Now look where we are...



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From: 80 Knight on
"Jeff" <jeff.utz(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
news:b53e1cbb-98eb-4dc2-b095-b6d7b6bd7a82(a)z34g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 7, 3:27 pm, "80 Knight" <nos...(a)nospam.com> wrote:
> "Jeff" <jeff....(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:610f8e30-4f92-4756-ba50-d05d833c4d66(a)g6g2000vbr.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 7, 12:31 pm, "Mike" <mikehu...(a)lycos.com> wrote:
>
> > Lower market share of an ever growing market, you mean. The fact is GM
> > was
> > selling more vehicles at 25%, when the market was at 19,000,000 than the
> > back when they had nearly 50% of the market, dummy.
>
> First, there is no need for name-calling. Not even kids on my soccer
> team do that. OF course, being in first and second grade, they are
> smarter than Mike.
>
> Second, the market is not "ever growing." The market has been
> shrinking each year since 2006.
>
> Further, if GM cars are so great, there is no reason why they should
> have a smaller market share, unless they can't keep up with demand.
> Yet, with all the plant closings, that is hardly the case.
>
> Jeff
> =================================================
>
> Be serious Jeff. Yes, Mike is an idiot, but in this case, he is right.
> Regardless of market share, GM still sells more vehicles then *any* other
> auto maker in the USA. GM also sells more vehicles now with its small
> market share, then it did when it had almost half of the market years ago.
> As for "greatness", some of you ToyoNuts think Toyota builds vehicles
> directly from God, so tell me, why don't they have the highest market
> share
> in the USA, and why don't they sell more vehicles then GM?

First, I don't think Toyota builds cars directly from God.

Second, Toyota sold twice as many cars in 1978 (it highest selling
year ever) than last year. In fact, the last time GM had a year with
as few sales as last year was 1959. So, no, GM did not sell more cars
per year recently compared with the 1960s, 1970s or 1980s.

http://www.autonews.com/article/20090601/ANA01/905279962

Jeff
=============================================

GM sells more vehicles in the USA *now* then any other manufacturer, that is
my point.


From: Jeff on
On Sep 7, 8:42 pm, "80 Knight" <nos...(a)nospam.com> wrote:
> "Jeff" <jeff....(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:b53e1cbb-98eb-4dc2-b095-b6d7b6bd7a82(a)z34g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 7, 3:27 pm, "80 Knight" <nos...(a)nospam.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Jeff" <jeff....(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:610f8e30-4f92-4756-ba50-d05d833c4d66(a)g6g2000vbr.googlegroups.com...
> > On Sep 7, 12:31 pm, "Mike" <mikehu...(a)lycos.com> wrote:
>
> > > Lower market share of an ever growing market, you mean. The fact is GM
> > > was
> > > selling more vehicles at 25%, when the market was at 19,000,000 than the
> > > back when they had nearly 50% of the market, dummy.
>
> > First, there is no need for name-calling. Not even kids on my soccer
> > team do that. OF course, being in first and second grade, they are
> > smarter than Mike.
>
> > Second, the market is not "ever growing." The market has been
> > shrinking each year since 2006.
>
> > Further, if GM cars are so great, there is no reason why they should
> > have a smaller market share, unless they can't keep up with demand.
> > Yet, with all the plant closings, that is hardly the case.
>
> > Jeff
> > =================================================
>
> > Be serious Jeff. Yes, Mike is an idiot, but in this case, he is right.
> > Regardless of market share, GM still sells more vehicles then *any* other
> > auto maker in the USA. GM also sells more vehicles now with its small
> > market share, then it did when it had almost half of the market years ago.
> > As for "greatness", some of you ToyoNuts think Toyota builds vehicles
> > directly from God, so tell me, why don't they have the highest market
> > share
> > in the USA, and why don't they sell more vehicles then GM?
>
> First, I don't think Toyota builds cars directly from God.
>
> Second, Toyota sold twice as many cars in 1978 (it highest selling
> year ever) than last year. In fact, the last time GM had a year with
> as few sales as last year was 1959. So, no, GM did not sell more cars
> per year recently compared with the 1960s, 1970s or 1980s.
>
> http://www.autonews.com/article/20090601/ANA01/905279962
>
> Jeff
> =============================================
>
> GM sells more vehicles in the USA *now* then any other manufacturer, that is
> my point.

You also said, "GM also sells more vehicles now with its small market
share, then it did when it had almost half of the market years ago."

GM sold fewer cars last year than any other year since before man has
been going into space. I was pointing out that GM is selling fewer
cars, despite the larger total size of the market.

Jeff
From: Mike on
What part of "selling more VEHICLES at 25%, when the market was at
19,000,000 than they did back when they had nearly 50% of the market," did
you not understand? The last time GM had nearly 50% of the market was NOT
in the seventies
>

"Jeff" <jeff.utz(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
news:2794a7d6-c44a-4ca2-9bd3-53205826e9f6(a)e34g2000vbm.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 7, 8:42 pm, "80 Knight" <nos...(a)nospam.com> wrote:
> "Jeff" <jeff....(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:b53e1cbb-98eb-4dc2-b095-b6d7b6bd7a82(a)z34g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 7, 3:27 pm, "80 Knight" <nos...(a)nospam.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Jeff" <jeff....(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:610f8e30-4f92-4756-ba50-d05d833c4d66(a)g6g2000vbr.googlegroups.com...
> > On Sep 7, 12:31 pm, "Mike" <mikehu...(a)lycos.com> wrote:
>
> > > Lower market share of an ever growing market, you mean. The fact is GM
> > > was
> > > selling more vehicles at 25%, when the market was at 19,000,000 than
> > > the
> > > back when they had nearly 50% of the market, dummy.
>
> > First, there is no need for name-calling. Not even kids on my soccer
> > team do that. OF course, being in first and second grade, they are
> > smarter than Mike.
>
> > Second, the market is not "ever growing." The market has been
> > shrinking each year since 2006.
>
> > Further, if GM cars are so great, there is no reason why they should
> > have a smaller market share, unless they can't keep up with demand.
> > Yet, with all the plant closings, that is hardly the case.
>
> > Jeff
> > =================================================
>
> > Be serious Jeff. Yes, Mike is an idiot, but in this case, he is right.
> > Regardless of market share, GM still sells more vehicles then *any*
> > other
> > auto maker in the USA. GM also sells more vehicles now with its small
> > market share, then it did when it had almost half of the market years
> > ago.
> > As for "greatness", some of you ToyoNuts think Toyota builds vehicles
> > directly from God, so tell me, why don't they have the highest market
> > share
> > in the USA, and why don't they sell more vehicles then GM?
>
> First, I don't think Toyota builds cars directly from God.
>
> Second, Toyota sold twice as many cars in 1978 (it highest selling
> year ever) than last year. In fact, the last time GM had a year with
> as few sales as last year was 1959. So, no, GM did not sell more cars
> per year recently compared with the 1960s, 1970s or 1980s.
>
> http://www.autonews.com/article/20090601/ANA01/905279962
>
> Jeff
> =============================================
>
> GM sells more vehicles in the USA *now* then any other manufacturer, that
> is
> my point.

You also said, "GM also sells more vehicles now with its small market
share, then it did when it had almost half of the market years ago."

GM sold fewer cars last year than any other year since before man has
been going into space. I was pointing out that GM is selling fewer
cars, despite the larger total size of the market.

Jeff


From: Mike on
You can cut the pie in as many pieces you choose and you will find GM still
sells more vehicle than any other manufacturer in the US, and Ford is just
behind GM. ;)


"Jeff" <jeff.utz(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
news:610f8e30-4f92-4756-ba50-d05d833c4d66(a)g6g2000vbr.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 7, 12:31 pm, "Mike" <mikehu...(a)lycos.com> wrote:
> Lower market share of an ever growing market, you mean. The fact is GM was
> selling more vehicles at 25%, when the market was at 19,000,000 than the
> back when they had nearly 50% of the market, dummy.

First, there is no need for name-calling. Not even kids on my soccer
team do that. OF course, being in first and second grade, they are
smarter than Mike.

Second, the market is not "ever growing." The market has been
shrinking each year since 2006.

Further, if GM cars are so great, there is no reason why they should
have a smaller market share, unless they can't keep up with demand.
Yet, with all the plant closings, that is hardly the case.

Jeff

> "larry moe 'n curly" <larrymoencu...(a)my-deja.com> wrote in
> messagenews:5b519423-c677-4e5c-9e64-7e5f7579dea4(a)u16g2000pru.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > Mike wrote:
>
> >> That may be your opinion but it defies logic. The fact is GM has been
> >> the
> >> number one seller in the US since the fifties.
>
> > Has been or had been?
>
> >> Do think all the millions of buyers, continue to chose to buy GM cars
> >> had
> >> problems, but bought from GM again and again be because they liked bad
> >> cars?
>
> > Do you think GM's market share shrunk from 50% to 25% (before
> > bankruptcy) because so many people stayed loyal to GM? Or did that
> > happen because GM started making cars that looked like furniture and
> > had to be sold at lower prices than Japanese products? I'm sure you
> > remember when the situation was just the opposite, when the Japanese
> > couldn't sell cars in the US except at lower prices than what the Big
> > Three charged.