Toyota blames costs, not UAW, for NUMMI pullout
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From: Jeff on 7 Sep 2009 14:47 On Sep 7, 12:38 pm, "Mike" <mikehu...(a)lycos.com> wrote: > I guess that means you too did not try to find the source of the funding for > the "jobs bank," > set up by Detroit automakers and Delphi Corp. as part of an extraordinary > job security agreement with the United Auto Workers union? > > The fact that the parties eliminated the job bank has nothing to do with the > facts as stated in my post. That the job bank was eliminated was not a minor detail. One is supposedly so intune with the auto industry would know this. Jeff > "Jeff" <jeff....(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:05892523-5585-413b-b0b2-f95fc38682e6(a)c37g2000yqi.googlegroups.com... > On Sep 5, 3:42 pm, "Mike" <mikehu...(a)lycos.com> wrote: > > > > > Who is Ken Pool? LOL > > > Have you ever tried to find the source of the funding for the "jobs bank," > > set up by Detroit automakers and Delphi Corp. as part of an extraordinary > > job security agreement with the United Auto Workers union? > > > Every UAW members and the companies both have each been paying sixty five > > cents and hour into the "Jobs Bank Fund," since the auto companies and the > > Union agreed to the contact clause! Jobs bank workers are paid from that > > interest bearing fund. > > > In addition the companies saved millions of dollars by not having to pay > > unemployment benefits and higher state unemployment taxes, dummy! > > > "Joe$#itForBrains" > > Old man, the jobs bank was suspended. Try to keep up. > > <http://www.autonews.com/article/20081203/ANA01/812039981/1128>
From: Jeff on 7 Sep 2009 14:50 On Sep 7, 12:31 pm, "Mike" <mikehu...(a)lycos.com> wrote: > Lower market share of an ever growing market, you mean. The fact is GM was > selling more vehicles at 25%, when the market was at 19,000,000 than the > back when they had nearly 50% of the market, dummy. First, there is no need for name-calling. Not even kids on my soccer team do that. OF course, being in first and second grade, they are smarter than Mike. Second, the market is not "ever growing." The market has been shrinking each year since 2006. Further, if GM cars are so great, there is no reason why they should have a smaller market share, unless they can't keep up with demand. Yet, with all the plant closings, that is hardly the case. Jeff > "larry moe 'n curly" <larrymoencu...(a)my-deja.com> wrote in messagenews:5b519423-c677-4e5c-9e64-7e5f7579dea4(a)u16g2000pru.googlegroups.com... > > > > > Mike wrote: > > >> That may be your opinion but it defies logic. The fact is GM has been > >> the > >> number one seller in the US since the fifties. > > > Has been or had been? > > >> Do think all the millions of buyers, continue to chose to buy GM cars had > >> problems, but bought from GM again and again be because they liked bad > >> cars? > > > Do you think GM's market share shrunk from 50% to 25% (before > > bankruptcy) because so many people stayed loyal to GM? Or did that > > happen because GM started making cars that looked like furniture and > > had to be sold at lower prices than Japanese products? I'm sure you > > remember when the situation was just the opposite, when the Japanese > > couldn't sell cars in the US except at lower prices than what the Big > > Three charged.
From: 80 Knight on 7 Sep 2009 15:27 "Jeff" <jeff.utz(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:610f8e30-4f92-4756-ba50-d05d833c4d66(a)g6g2000vbr.googlegroups.com... On Sep 7, 12:31 pm, "Mike" <mikehu...(a)lycos.com> wrote: > Lower market share of an ever growing market, you mean. The fact is GM was > selling more vehicles at 25%, when the market was at 19,000,000 than the > back when they had nearly 50% of the market, dummy. First, there is no need for name-calling. Not even kids on my soccer team do that. OF course, being in first and second grade, they are smarter than Mike. Second, the market is not "ever growing." The market has been shrinking each year since 2006. Further, if GM cars are so great, there is no reason why they should have a smaller market share, unless they can't keep up with demand. Yet, with all the plant closings, that is hardly the case. Jeff ================================================= Be serious Jeff. Yes, Mike is an idiot, but in this case, he is right. Regardless of market share, GM still sells more vehicles then *any* other auto maker in the USA. GM also sells more vehicles now with its small market share, then it did when it had almost half of the market years ago. As for "greatness", some of you ToyoNuts think Toyota builds vehicles directly from God, so tell me, why don't they have the highest market share in the USA, and why don't they sell more vehicles then GM?
From: Jeff on 7 Sep 2009 15:35 On Sep 7, 3:27 pm, "80 Knight" <nos...(a)nospam.com> wrote: > "Jeff" <jeff....(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:610f8e30-4f92-4756-ba50-d05d833c4d66(a)g6g2000vbr.googlegroups.com... > On Sep 7, 12:31 pm, "Mike" <mikehu...(a)lycos.com> wrote: > > > Lower market share of an ever growing market, you mean. The fact is GM was > > selling more vehicles at 25%, when the market was at 19,000,000 than the > > back when they had nearly 50% of the market, dummy. > > First, there is no need for name-calling. Not even kids on my soccer > team do that. OF course, being in first and second grade, they are > smarter than Mike. > > Second, the market is not "ever growing." The market has been > shrinking each year since 2006. > > Further, if GM cars are so great, there is no reason why they should > have a smaller market share, unless they can't keep up with demand. > Yet, with all the plant closings, that is hardly the case. > > Jeff > ================================================= > > Be serious Jeff. Yes, Mike is an idiot, but in this case, he is right. > Regardless of market share, GM still sells more vehicles then *any* other > auto maker in the USA. GM also sells more vehicles now with its small > market share, then it did when it had almost half of the market years ago.. > As for "greatness", some of you ToyoNuts think Toyota builds vehicles > directly from God, so tell me, why don't they have the highest market share > in the USA, and why don't they sell more vehicles then GM? First, I don't think Toyota builds cars directly from God. Second, Toyota sold twice as many cars in 1978 (it highest selling year ever) than last year. In fact, the last time GM had a year with as few sales as last year was 1959. So, no, GM did not sell more cars per year recently compared with the 1960s, 1970s or 1980s. http://www.autonews.com/article/20090601/ANA01/905279962 Jeff
From: edspyhill01 on 7 Sep 2009 15:55
On Sep 7, 3:27 pm, "80 Knight" <nos...(a)nospam.com> wrote: > As for "greatness", some of you ToyoNuts think Toyota builds vehicles > directly from God, so tell me, why don't they have the highest market share > in the USA, and why don't they sell more vehicles then GM? Crappy stereos and too much road noise in the cabin. |