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From: Mike on 9 Sep 2009 18:43 MARKET SHARE, dummy I'll make is easier for you to understand "What part of "selling more VEHICLES at 25% SHARE today, than they did back when they HAD nearly 50% SHARE of the market," did you not understand? LOL "Jeff" <jeff.utz(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:fa363fbd-190e-4556-a384-f185d4378ba5(a)j39g2000yqh.googlegroups.com... On Sep 8, 10:38 am, "Mike" <mikehu...(a)lycos.com> wrote: > What part of "selling more VEHICLES at 25%, when the market was at > 19,000,000 than they did back when they had nearly 50% of the market," did > you not understand? The last time GM had nearly 50% of the market was NOT > in the seventies Funny thing is that their peak market share was about 51% in 1962, when they sold over 3,900,000 vehicles, compared to about 2,933,000 cars last year. So, when GM had its peak market share, it sold more cars than it is selling now. In fact, every year in the sixties, they sold more vehicles than last year. So, as usual, you're incorrect. Jeff http://www.nytimes.com/1999/12/24/business/gm-official-gives-upbeat-review-of-year.html > "Jeff" <jeff....(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:2794a7d6-c44a-4ca2-9bd3-53205826e9f6(a)e34g2000vbm.googlegroups.com... > On Sep 7, 8:42 pm, "80 Knight" <nos...(a)nospam.com> wrote: > > > > > "Jeff" <jeff....(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > >news:b53e1cbb-98eb-4dc2-b095-b6d7b6bd7a82(a)z34g2000vbl.googlegroups.com... > > On Sep 7, 3:27 pm, "80 Knight" <nos...(a)nospam.com> wrote: > > > > "Jeff" <jeff....(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > > >news:610f8e30-4f92-4756-ba50-d05d833c4d66(a)g6g2000vbr.googlegroups.com... > > > On Sep 7, 12:31 pm, "Mike" <mikehu...(a)lycos.com> wrote: > > > > > Lower market share of an ever growing market, you mean. The fact is > > > > GM > > > > was > > > > selling more vehicles at 25%, when the market was at 19,000,000 than > > > > the > > > > back when they had nearly 50% of the market, dummy. > > > > First, there is no need for name-calling. Not even kids on my soccer > > > team do that. OF course, being in first and second grade, they are > > > smarter than Mike. > > > > Second, the market is not "ever growing." The market has been > > > shrinking each year since 2006. > > > > Further, if GM cars are so great, there is no reason why they should > > > have a smaller market share, unless they can't keep up with demand. > > > Yet, with all the plant closings, that is hardly the case. > > > > Jeff > > > ================================================= > > > > Be serious Jeff. Yes, Mike is an idiot, but in this case, he is right. > > > Regardless of market share, GM still sells more vehicles then *any* > > > other > > > auto maker in the USA. GM also sells more vehicles now with its small > > > market share, then it did when it had almost half of the market years > > > ago. > > > As for "greatness", some of you ToyoNuts think Toyota builds vehicles > > > directly from God, so tell me, why don't they have the highest market > > > share > > > in the USA, and why don't they sell more vehicles then GM? > > > First, I don't think Toyota builds cars directly from God. > > > Second, Toyota sold twice as many cars in 1978 (it highest selling > > year ever) than last year. In fact, the last time GM had a year with > > as few sales as last year was 1959. So, no, GM did not sell more cars > > per year recently compared with the 1960s, 1970s or 1980s. > > >http://www.autonews.com/article/20090601/ANA01/905279962 > > > Jeff > > ============================================= > > > GM sells more vehicles in the USA *now* then any other manufacturer, > > that > > is > > my point. > > You also said, "GM also sells more vehicles now with its small market > share, then it did when it had almost half of the market years ago." > > GM sold fewer cars last year than any other year since before man has > been going into space. I was pointing out that GM is selling fewer > cars, despite the larger total size of the market. > > Jeff
From: Jeff on 9 Sep 2009 19:17
On Sep 9, 6:43 pm, "Mike" <mikehu...(a)lycos.com> wrote: > MARKET SHARE, dummy I'll make is easier for you to understand "What part > of "selling more VEHICLES at 25% SHARE today, than they did back when they > HAD nearly 50% SHARE of the market," did you not understand? LOL I did see that. Notice how my post said 51% market share. It was in the 1960s that GM had around a 50% market share. And in the 1960s, when GM had around 50% market share, they sold more cars than GM sells today. So, once again, you are incorrect. Jeff > "Jeff" <jeff....(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:fa363fbd-190e-4556-a384-f185d4378ba5(a)j39g2000yqh.googlegroups.com... > On Sep 8, 10:38 am, "Mike" <mikehu...(a)lycos.com> wrote: > > > What part of "selling more VEHICLES at 25%, when the market was at > > 19,000,000 than they did back when they had nearly 50% of the market," did > > you not understand? The last time GM had nearly 50% of the market was NOT > > in the seventies > > Funny thing is that their peak market share was about 51% in 1962, > when they sold over 3,900,000 vehicles, compared to about 2,933,000 > cars last year. So, when GM had its peak market share, it sold more > cars than it is selling now. > > In fact, every year in the sixties, they sold more vehicles than last > year. > > So, as usual, you're incorrect. > > Jeff > > http://www.nytimes.com/1999/12/24/business/gm-official-gives-upbeat-r... > > > "Jeff" <jeff....(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > >news:2794a7d6-c44a-4ca2-9bd3-53205826e9f6(a)e34g2000vbm.googlegroups.com.... > > On Sep 7, 8:42 pm, "80 Knight" <nos...(a)nospam.com> wrote: > > > > "Jeff" <jeff....(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > > >news:b53e1cbb-98eb-4dc2-b095-b6d7b6bd7a82(a)z34g2000vbl.googlegroups.com.... > > > On Sep 7, 3:27 pm, "80 Knight" <nos...(a)nospam.com> wrote: > > > > > "Jeff" <jeff....(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > > > >news:610f8e30-4f92-4756-ba50-d05d833c4d66(a)g6g2000vbr.googlegroups.com... > > > > On Sep 7, 12:31 pm, "Mike" <mikehu...(a)lycos.com> wrote: > > > > > > Lower market share of an ever growing market, you mean. The fact is > > > > > GM > > > > > was > > > > > selling more vehicles at 25%, when the market was at 19,000,000 than > > > > > the > > > > > back when they had nearly 50% of the market, dummy. > > > > > First, there is no need for name-calling. Not even kids on my soccer > > > > team do that. OF course, being in first and second grade, they are > > > > smarter than Mike. > > > > > Second, the market is not "ever growing." The market has been > > > > shrinking each year since 2006. > > > > > Further, if GM cars are so great, there is no reason why they should > > > > have a smaller market share, unless they can't keep up with demand. > > > > Yet, with all the plant closings, that is hardly the case. > > > > > Jeff > > > > ================================================= > > > > > Be serious Jeff. Yes, Mike is an idiot, but in this case, he is right. > > > > Regardless of market share, GM still sells more vehicles then *any* > > > > other > > > > auto maker in the USA. GM also sells more vehicles now with its small > > > > market share, then it did when it had almost half of the market years > > > > ago. > > > > As for "greatness", some of you ToyoNuts think Toyota builds vehicles > > > > directly from God, so tell me, why don't they have the highest market > > > > share > > > > in the USA, and why don't they sell more vehicles then GM? > > > > First, I don't think Toyota builds cars directly from God. > > > > Second, Toyota sold twice as many cars in 1978 (it highest selling > > > year ever) than last year. In fact, the last time GM had a year with > > > as few sales as last year was 1959. So, no, GM did not sell more cars > > > per year recently compared with the 1960s, 1970s or 1980s. > > > >http://www.autonews.com/article/20090601/ANA01/905279962 > > > > Jeff > > > ============================================= > > > > GM sells more vehicles in the USA *now* then any other manufacturer, > > > that > > > is > > > my point. > > > You also said, "GM also sells more vehicles now with its small market > > share, then it did when it had almost half of the market years ago." > > > GM sold fewer cars last year than any other year since before man has > > been going into space. I was pointing out that GM is selling fewer > > cars, despite the larger total size of the market. > > > Jeff |