From: JoeSpareBedroom on
Did you literally laugh out loud when you typed that?





"Mike" <mikehunt2(a)lycos.com> wrote in message
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> Does that mean you did not know Toyota was a partner in the NUMMI
> contract? LOL
>
>
> "Jeff" <jeff.utz(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:50d0ae12-ffed-4c01-b323-cdb7e6fc8862(a)d4g2000vbm.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 1, 2:02 pm, "Mike" <mikehu...(a)lycos.com> wrote:
>> You mean the Union Contracts that included "abusive waste" that Toyota
>> signed with the UAW?
>
> Toyota didn't sign contracts with the UAW. NUMMI did.
>
>> The only "power" a Union has over a manufacturer is to require it to
>> abide
>> by their contract.
>
> And to agree to a contract.
>
> Jeff
>
>> "Michael Dobony" <sur...(a)stopassaultnow.net> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1gbfxfxrwzmby.mtse3az36qis$.dlg(a)40tude.net...
>>
>> > On Tue, 1 Sep 2009 10:33:26 -0400, C. E. White wrote:
>>
>> >> Toyota blames costs, not UAW, for NUMMI pullout
>> >> Hans Greimel
>> >> Automotive News
>> >> August 28, 2009 - 9:52 am ET
>>
>> >> TOKYO -- Toyota Motor Corp. says it plans to shut its California
>> >> factory because of high labor and logistics costs, not because the UAW
>> >> represents workers there.
>>
>> >> "The UAW presence does not have a direct impact on the decision,"
>>
>> > But union wages and benefits are a large portion of the excessive labor
>> > costs. My wife's uncle is UAW and the stories he told . . . deliberate,
>> > abusive waste totally because of UAW contracts.
>
>


From: Mike on
What part of "must contain 70% American made parts and MATERIALS," did you
not understand?

The cars made in California for example used steel made in the US at the
Burns Harbor plant owned by Bethlehem Steel, now MITTAL. All other Toyota
plants use Nippon Steel, dummy.



"Jeff" <jeff.utz(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Sep 1, 1:56 pm, "Mike" <mikehu...(a)lycos.com> wrote:
> While it is true that Toyota assembles vehicles in the US of mostly
> imported
> parts and materials.

Actually, it assembles vehicles in the US with mostly US materials.
All the car makers who make cars in the US use parts from the US and
from outside the US. In the case of Toyota,

> That is only true of Toyotas NON Union plants, that is
> not the case for vehicles made at in the California plant!
>
> The Union contract there requires that ALL vehicles assembled there, both
> GM
> and Toyota, must contain 70% American made parts and materials.

You might want to remind NUMMI and UAW about this. Both the Pontiac
Vibe and Toyota Corrolla have less than 70% US content. Toyota imports
Corrollas from Japan, which explains the lower number. However, GM
didn't.

http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/staticfiles/DOT/NHTSA/Traffic%20Injury%20Control/Articles/Associated%20Files/AALA/AALA2009a.pdf

An alternative explanation is that you made up the contract or don't
know what you're talking about.

Jeff


From: Mike on
Who is Ken Pool? LOL

Have you ever tried to find the source of the funding for the "jobs bank,"
set up by Detroit automakers and Delphi Corp. as part of an extraordinary
job security agreement with the United Auto Workers union?

Every UAW members and the companies both have each been paying sixty five
cents and hour into the "Jobs Bank Fund," since the auto companies and the
Union agreed to the contact clause! Jobs bank workers are paid from that
interest bearing fund.

In addition the companies saved millions of dollars by not having to pay
unemployment benefits and higher state unemployment taxes, dummy!


"Joe$#itForBrains"

<newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote in message
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> Similar:
>
> WAYNE -- Ken Pool is making good money. On weekdays, he shows up at 7 a.m.
> at Ford Motor Co.'s Michigan Truck Plant in Wayne, signs in, and then
> starts working -- on a crossword puzzle. Pool hates the monotony, but the
> pay is good: more than $31 an hour, plus benefits.
>
> "We just go in and play crossword puzzles, watch videos that someone
> brings in or read the newspaper," he says. "Otherwise, I've just sat."
>
> Pool is one of more than 12,000 American autoworkers who, instead of
> installing windshields or bending sheet metal, spend their days counting
> the hours in a jobs bank set up by Detroit automakers and Delphi Corp. as
> part of an extraordinary job security agreement with the United Auto
> Workers union.
>
> http://fernleynews.ning.com/profiles/blogs/jobs-bank-programs-12000-paid
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Mike" <mikehunt2(a)lycos.com> wrote in message
> news:4aa2adea$0$32219$ce5e7886(a)news-radius.ptd.net...
>> Sounds to me like there is a MANAGEMENT problem in that plant, if that is
>> what you believe. LOL
>>
>>
>> My techs were members of the Machinists Union. If any of my guys did
>> what you suggested, I would fire them and there it not a thing the
>> Machinists Union, or ANY Union, could do to stop me, dummy
>>
>>
>> "Michael Dobony" <survey(a)stopassaultnow.net> wrote in message
>> news:1171nonnccxxo$.49ayppcvp4u$.dlg(a)40tude.net...
>>> On Tue, 1 Sep 2009 14:02:56 -0400, Mike wrote:
>>>
>>>> You mean the Union Contracts that included "abusive waste" that Toyota
>>>> signed with the UAW?
>>>>
>>>> The only "power" a Union has over a manufacturer is to require it to
>>>> abide
>>>> by their contract.
>>>>
>>>
>>> It is abusive when UAW workers push their benefits to the limit, when
>>> workers clock in, slip out the back fence, spend the day at the bar,
>>> return
>>> to clock out, and go home, without doing any work, and the union
>>> endorses
>>> this.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Michael Dobony"
>>
>>
>
>


From: Tom on

"Mike" <mikehunt2(a)lycos.com> wrote in message
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> What part of "must contain 70% American made parts and MATERIALS," did you
> not understand?
>
> The cars made in California for example used steel made in the US at the
> Burns Harbor plant owned by Bethlehem Steel, now MITTAL. All other
> Toyota plants use Nippon Steel, dummy.
>
>
>
> "Jeff" <jeff.utz(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:9d3ed076-a79c-45a2-82b8-b0b28b6a76cf(a)j19g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 1, 1:56 pm, "Mike" <mikehu...(a)lycos.com> wrote:
>> While it is true that Toyota assembles vehicles in the US of mostly
>> imported
>> parts and materials.
>
> Actually, it assembles vehicles in the US with mostly US materials.
> All the car makers who make cars in the US use parts from the US and
> from outside the US. In the case of Toyota,
>
>> That is only true of Toyotas NON Union plants, that is
>> not the case for vehicles made at in the California plant!
>>
>> The Union contract there requires that ALL vehicles assembled there, both
>> GM
>> and Toyota, must contain 70% American made parts and materials.
>
> You might want to remind NUMMI and UAW about this. Both the Pontiac
> Vibe and Toyota Corrolla have less than 70% US content. Toyota imports
> Corrollas from Japan, which explains the lower number. However, GM
> didn't.
>
> http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/staticfiles/DOT/NHTSA/Traffic%20Injury%20Control/Articles/Associated%20Files/AALA/AALA2009a.pdf

........>
> An alternative explanation is that you made up the contract or don't
> know what you're talking about.
>
> Jeff
>I was in the NUMMI Plant 2 times, many or almost all the dies and other
>tooling came from Japan
I saw many coils of steel wrapped in paper with Jap markings. as someone who
worked with tooling for 35 years
i was not impressed with the jap tooling. I also worked on some of the
tooling in a plant that did the aftermarket service
work for NUMMI. I think the US tooling was better made and ran smoother, but
we also made our tooling for higher volume.

From: Mike on
What part of "must contain 70% American made parts and MATERIALS," did YOU
not understand?

"Tom" <tc(a)comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Mike" <mikehunt2(a)lycos.com> wrote in message
> news:4aa2b868$0$32183$ce5e7886(a)news-radius.ptd.net...
>> What part of "must contain 70% American made parts and MATERIALS," did
>> you not understand?
>>
>> The cars made in California for example used steel made in the US at the
>> Burns Harbor plant owned by Bethlehem Steel, now MITTAL. All other
>> Toyota plants use Nippon Steel, dummy.
>>
>>
>>
>> "Jeff" <jeff.utz(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:9d3ed076-a79c-45a2-82b8-b0b28b6a76cf(a)j19g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
>> On Sep 1, 1:56 pm, "Mike" <mikehu...(a)lycos.com> wrote:
>>> While it is true that Toyota assembles vehicles in the US of mostly
>>> imported
>>> parts and materials.
>>
>> Actually, it assembles vehicles in the US with mostly US materials.
>> All the car makers who make cars in the US use parts from the US and
>> from outside the US. In the case of Toyota,
>>
>>> That is only true of Toyotas NON Union plants, that is
>>> not the case for vehicles made at in the California plant!
>>>
>>> The Union contract there requires that ALL vehicles assembled there,
>>> both GM
>>> and Toyota, must contain 70% American made parts and materials.
>>
>> You might want to remind NUMMI and UAW about this. Both the Pontiac
>> Vibe and Toyota Corrolla have less than 70% US content. Toyota imports
>> Corrollas from Japan, which explains the lower number. However, GM
>> didn't.
>>
>> http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/staticfiles/DOT/NHTSA/Traffic%20Injury%20Control/Articles/Associated%20Files/AALA/AALA2009a.pdf
>
> .......>
>> An alternative explanation is that you made up the contract or don't
>> know what you're talking about.
>>
>> Jeff
>>I was in the NUMMI Plant 2 times, many or almost all the dies and other
>>tooling came from Japan
> I saw many coils of steel wrapped in paper with Jap markings. as someone
> who worked with tooling for 35 years
> i was not impressed with the jap tooling. I also worked on some of the
> tooling in a plant that did the aftermarket service
> work for NUMMI. I think the US tooling was better made and ran smoother,
> but we also made our tooling for higher volume.