From: Ed White on 1 Mar 2007 13:36
On Mar 1, 11:19 am, "Jeff" <n...(a)googlemail.com> wrote:
> The only question I have is why you would have to pay for a new truck if he
> got his hands on your Frontier.
After a year with the Frontier, I am unimpressed with it "toughness."
It is a decent ride around truck, but I'd hate to subject it to
anything rough. The frame is pathetic looking compared even to a
Ranger. The engine is a great race car engine, but a lousy truck
engine. The truck rides nicely, but by Father's 8 year old Ranger will
haul a larger load without bottoming out the springs. The Nissan 4WD
system works well, but it worried the heck out of me yesterday when it
refused to shift back to 2WD (I had driven throught a rather
challenging mud hole).
> I believe in natural consequences. If a child runs into a wall, he soon
> learns that it hurts and stops running into the wall.
How about one that breaksa bone when he runs into the walll...do you
just let them tough it out?
> The natural consequence of being rough with a Vue is that he pays for the
> repairs, not you. He will learn not to be rough with vehicles or learn to
> get a 2nd job.
I have one goal for my Son - get him out of high school and into
college. I put him to work on my farm, but anything that interferes
with school is forbidden. My son has to get to school. I have three
choices - take him and pick him up daily, pay someone to do it, or let
him drive. The last option was the cheapest. If I said he had to pay
for the repairs to the Vue, he wouldn't be able to, so I'd end up
carrying him to school and paying for the Vue. He actually paid for
the Firebird out of his own savings - it was so horrible he wiped his
savings out. Getting the Mustang has worked out really well. It was
dirt cheap, and has been bullet proof. The amount I was spending on
gas has even gone down. It is an unbelieveable bargin.
From: larry moe 'n curly on 1 Mar 2007 14:26
C. E. White wrote:
> I have my own toughness test - my 17 year old son. So far only two
> vehicles have passed - 1999 Ford Ranger and a 2006 Ford Mustang.
> Failed vehicles - 2003 Saturn Vue, 1997 Pontiac Firebird, 1992 F150 -
> although both the Firebird and F150 had many miles at the time they
> failed the test.
Exactly what does your son do to vehicles?
From: larry moe 'n curly on 1 Mar 2007 14:35
Evil top poster Mike Hunter wrote:
> The Tundra is a second rate truck compared to what GM, Ford and
> Dodge have to offer and for less money.
If the trucks from GM, Ford, and Dodge are superior, why can't be sold
for higher prices than the Tundra?
From: Ed White on 1 Mar 2007 14:49
On Mar 1, 2:35 pm, "larry moe 'n curly" <larrymoencu...(a)my-deja.com>
> Evil top poster Mike Hunter wrote:
> > The Tundra is a second rate truck compared to what GM, Ford and
> > Dodge have to offer and for less money.
> If the trucks from GM, Ford, and Dodge are superior, why can't be sold
> for higher prices than the Tundra?
That is a very good question. I spent a lot of time shopping for a new
truck last year. I didn't want a full size truck. I wanted someting a
little smaller, but bigger than a Ranger. However, I did priced larger
trucks. I was shocked when I found I could get an F250 for less than a
Tundra. It was ridiculous. I don't understand how Toyota could sell
one at all. A fourth rate truck for a first rate price. It was silly.
I didn't want the F250, and couldn't stomach the Toyota dealers. I
tried to negotiate a price for a Tacoma, but the Toyota dealers were
so full of s$%t that I ended up in a Frontier. Tacomas are over
priced to begin with, and the local dealers try to add ridiculous doc
fees. Yet despite screwing their Customers they are able to sell the
trucks. It make me think Toyota buyers are brain dead. If you go
merely by specifications, the Tacoma is inferior to the Frontier. If
you drive one, it is even more inferior. Yet Toyota charges thousand
more. Go figure. Do Toyota buyers even consider anything else?
From: Mike Hunter on 1 Mar 2007 15:33
Worried about what? In 2006 Ford sold 34% of the truck market and GM 30%.
Toyota was a distant fourth at a measly 5%
"Dante" <dante(a)xmission.com> wrote in message
> C. E. White wrote:
>> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2(a)mailcity.com> wrote in message
>>> Ride in an older model Toyota or Dodge truck, listen to the squeaks and
>>> rattles, it soon become apparent that the 'toughness' IS important in a
>> I have my own toughness test - my 17 year old son. So far only two
>> vehicles have passed - 1999 Ford Ranger and a 2006 Ford Mustang. Failed
>> vehicles - 2003 Saturn Vue, 1997 Pontiac Firebird, 1992 F150 - although
>> both the Firebird and F150 had many miles at the time they failed the
>> test. The F150 failure only cost a few hundred dollars. The Firebird's
>> was terminal. The Vue's failure was partially covered by warranty, but
>> hideously expensive - after it was mobile again I got rid of it. I won't
>> let him touch my Frontier - I can't afford another new truck this year
>> and I don't think the Frontier would last long with him driving.
>> Apparently the Mustang is bullet proof. He has put more miles on it than
>> all the other vehicle combined and the only "failure" was a destroyed
>> rear tire. I can't really blame that on Ford. Then again, as far as I
>> know he hasn't taken the Mustang off road....
>> I wonder if I can get Toyota to lend me a Tundra for him to test. Might
>> make for an interesting experiment.
> Since when are there so many Ford and GM lovers reading a Toyota group?
> Seems to me that these Ford and GM advocates are getting awfully nervous
> lately. It's actually kind of funny.