Toyota Tundra: First Impression
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From: C. E. White on 6 Mar 2007 08:13 "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message news:2850c$45ec95cd$44a4a10d$12601(a)msgid.meganewsservers.com... > The Toyota's ownership in Aisin goes back way before they even came > to the U.S. From my "insiders" experience, I'd say that Toyota > developed the technology and had Aisin produce it, which is how > Toyota usually works. You are right about Toyota having a long term ownership interest in Aisin-Warner (or as it is now know Aisin AW). However, I think you are wrong about Toyota developing the hybrid technology in-house. I can remember articles on Volvo working with Aisin more than 15 years ago. Probably the "Toyota" hybrid technology is a accumulation of technology from many sources. Still Aisin AW builds the main components for both Toyota and Ford, but they only acknowledge building them for Ford. They never mention that they also build hybrid components for Toyota. For that matter, you'd never know they built Toyota automatic transmissions either. Ed
From: Jeff on 6 Mar 2007 08:23 "C. E. White" <cewhite3(a)removemindspring.com> wrote in message news:45ed6982$1(a)kcnews01... <...> Actually, the important point is that both GM and Toyota saw a new technology. Toyota saw an oppurtunity. GM saw a risk. They both acted accordingly. Jeff
From: Mike Hunter on 6 Mar 2007 13:00 I think you mean control of hybrid technology was acquired by buying Aisin ;) mike "larry moe 'n curly" <larrymoencurly(a)my-deja.com> wrote in message news:1173149898.023274.131920(a)64g2000cwx.googlegroups.com... > > Ed White wrote: > >> Most of "Toyota's" hybrid technology was aquired by buying Aisin- >> Warner. > > Transmissions, brakes, drivetrain components, furniture, and > mattresses: > > http://www.aisin.com/product/index.html >
From: Mike Hunter on 6 Mar 2007 13:08 The hybrid technology was developed in a joint venture with Volvo (Ford,) Toyota, Aisin and another Japanese auto company. There are all cross licensed to use that technology. Toyota eventually bought the company. Non Japanese can not 'own' a Japanese company. mike "C. E. White" <cewhite3(a)removemindspring.com> wrote in message news:45ed6982$1(a)kcnews01... > > "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message > news:2850c$45ec95cd$44a4a10d$12601(a)msgid.meganewsservers.com... >> The Toyota's ownership in Aisin goes back way before they even came to >> the U.S. From my "insiders" experience, I'd say that Toyota developed >> the technology and had Aisin produce it, which is how Toyota usually >> works. > > You are right about Toyota having a long term ownership interest in > Aisin-Warner (or as it is now know Aisin AW). However, I think you are > wrong about Toyota developing the hybrid technology in-house. I can > remember articles on Volvo working with Aisin more than 15 years ago. > Probably the "Toyota" hybrid technology is a accumulation of technology > from many sources. Still Aisin AW builds the main components for both > Toyota and Ford, but they only acknowledge building them for Ford. They > never mention that they also build hybrid components for Toyota. For that > matter, you'd never know they built Toyota automatic transmissions either. > > Ed >
From: Ray O on 6 Mar 2007 15:55
"C. E. White" <cewhite3(a)removemindspring.com> wrote in message news:45ed6982$1(a)kcnews01... > > "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message > news:2850c$45ec95cd$44a4a10d$12601(a)msgid.meganewsservers.com... >> The Toyota's ownership in Aisin goes back way before they even came to >> the U.S. From my "insiders" experience, I'd say that Toyota developed >> the technology and had Aisin produce it, which is how Toyota usually >> works. > You are right about Toyota having a long term ownership interest in > Aisin-Warner (or as it is now know Aisin AW). However, I think you are > wrong about Toyota developing the hybrid technology in-house. I can > remember articles on Volvo working with Aisin more than 15 years ago. Some Japanese geography and cultural background: Tokai is a city in Aichi prefecture, where Toyota is headquartered, and where the Toyoda family has tremendous influence and respect. "Kogyo" means "industries." Toyota made automatic looms and sewing machines before they got into the car business, and continues to make commercial sewing equipment under its own brand and as an OEM supplier. "Keiretsu" is the circle, or family of companies in a group. Some of the big keiretsus in are Toyota, Mitsubishi, Itochu, Mitsui, etc. What sets Toyota's keiretsu apart from the other mega-keiretsus is that it is still controlled by the Toyoda family. Aisin was established as Tokai Hikoki (Tokai Aircraft) in 1943 and produced aircraft engines. Not many companies pop up from nothing and start producing something as sophisticated as aircraft engines during war time. Capital, manufacturing expertise, and engineering expertise has to come from somewhere, and although it is not written in any web sites, I would guess that Tokai Hikoki was founded by the Tododa Keiretsu. In September 1945 (timing happens to coincide with the end of WW II), Tokai Hikoki started making sewing machines and automotive parts. IMHO, the likelihood that a company in Toyota's back yard has the werewithall to switch from making airpane engines to making exactly what Toyota happens to need within months of a war's end without major backing from somewhere is pretty nuch nil. Aisin's pronunciation is "eye - shin." The "Ai" part of the name come from Aichi prefecture, were Toyota is headquartered. The "shin" part of the name means new, and came from Shinkawa Kogyo ("new river industries). If you compare the histroy of Aisin and Toyota and are familiar with the Japanese business culture, it is obvious that Toyota did not acquire Aisin - Toyota founded and bankrolled Aisin, and a gentleman whose last name happens to be Toyoda is Aisin's chairman. The same history and backgound applies to Nippon Denso. > Probably the "Toyota" hybrid technology is a accumulation of technology > from many sources. Still Aisin AW builds the main components for both > Toyota and Ford, but they only acknowledge building them for Ford. They > never mention that they also build hybrid components for Toyota. For that > matter, you'd never know they built Toyota automatic transmissions either. > > Ed Yup, that is because Aisin and Nippon Denso are Toyota's in-house suppliers. -- Ray O (correct punctuation to reply) |