From: C. E. White on

"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2(a)mailcity.com> wrote in message
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> Ride in an older model Toyota or Dodge truck, listen to the squeaks
> and rattles, it soon become apparent that the 'toughness' IS
> important in a truck
>
> mike

I have my own toughness test - my 17 year old son. So far only two
vehicles have passed - 1999 Ford Ranger and a 2006 Ford Mustang.
Failed vehicles - 2003 Saturn Vue, 1997 Pontiac Firebird, 1992 F150 -
although both the Firebird and F150 had many miles at the time they
failed the test. The F150 failure only cost a few hundred dollars. The
Firebird's was terminal. The Vue's failure was partially covered by
warranty, but hideously expensive - after it was mobile again I got
rid of it. I won't let him touch my Frontier - I can't afford another
new truck this year and I don't think the Frontier would last long
with him driving. Apparently the Mustang is bullet proof. He has put
more miles on it than all the other vehicle combined and the only
"failure" was a destroyed rear tire. I can't really blame that on
Ford. Then again, as far as I know he hasn't taken the Mustang off
road....

I wonder if I can get Toyota to lend me a Tundra for him to test.
Might make for an interesting experiment.

Ed


From: Jeff on

"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2(a)mailcity.com> wrote in message
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> There is not question competition is good for the breed, but the Tundra
> does not compare to other trucks currently on the market in its price
> range.

Can you be specific? I just compared similarly priced Tudra and F150 (4x4,
small V8, regular cab), and found they they had similar performance, similar
towing, similar payload and similar price. I would bet the take home price
is cheaper for F150 because the dealer would give a bigger discount.

All of the reviews that I have read suggests that Toyota did a good job in
designing the truck, such as this summary from Car and Driver: "The Bottom
Line: We have yet to put this giant through its formal test paces, and there
is much to learn in the months ahead. But assessed in terms of Toyota's
goal-a big job truck to be taken seriously by guys who actually put their
rigs to work (Toyota calls them "True Truckers")-we have to say mission
accomplished."

Can you please provide the details when a similar Tundra and Ford are
compared?

Jeff


From: Jeff on

"C. E. White" <cewhite3(a)removemindspring.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2(a)mailcity.com> wrote in message
> news:eo6dnWCypbA6cnvYnZ2dnUVZ_r6vnZ2d(a)ptd.net...
>> Ride in an older model Toyota or Dodge truck, listen to the squeaks and
>> rattles, it soon become apparent that the 'toughness' IS important in a
>> truck
>>
>> mike
>
> I have my own toughness test - my 17 year old son. So far only two
> vehicles have passed - 1999 Ford Ranger and a 2006 Ford Mustang. Failed
> vehicles - 2003 Saturn Vue, 1997 Pontiac Firebird, 1992 F150 - although
> both the Firebird and F150 had many miles at the time they failed the
> test. The F150 failure only cost a few hundred dollars. The Firebird's was
> terminal. The Vue's failure was partially covered by warranty, but
> hideously expensive - after it was mobile again I got rid of it. I won't
> let him touch my Frontier - I can't afford another new truck this year and
> I don't think the Frontier would last long with him driving. Apparently
> the Mustang is bullet proof. He has put more miles on it than all the
> other vehicle combined and the only "failure" was a destroyed rear tire. I
> can't really blame that on Ford. Then again, as far as I know he hasn't
> taken the Mustang off road....

The only question I have is why you would have to pay for a new truck if he
got his hands on your Frontier.

I believe in natural consequences. If a child runs into a wall, he soon
learns that it hurts and stops running into the wall.

The natural consequence of being rough with a Vue is that he pays for the
repairs, not you. He will learn not to be rough with vehicles or learn to
get a 2nd job.

Jeff

> I wonder if I can get Toyota to lend me a Tundra for him to test. Might
> make for an interesting experiment.
>
> Ed
>

From: Scott in Florida on
On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:19:03 GMT, "Jeff" <news(a)googlemail.com> wrote:

>The only question I have is why you would have to pay for a new truck if he
>got his hands on your Frontier.
>
>I believe in natural consequences. If a child runs into a wall, he soon
>learns that it hurts and stops running into the wall.
>
>The natural consequence of being rough with a Vue is that he pays for the
>repairs, not you. He will learn not to be rough with vehicles or learn to
>get a 2nd job.
>
>Jeff

I have to totally agree!

Why in hell would anyone keep providing cars to kids that can't/won't
take care of them.

Actually why in hell provide ANY cars to kids at all?

Earn the f*ing money if you want a car and pay for it and the
insurance!

--


Scott in Florida


From: mark_digital´┐Ż on

"Scott in Florida" <askifyouwant(a)mindspring.net> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:19:03 GMT, "Jeff" <news(a)googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>>The only question I have is why you would have to pay for a new truck if
>>he
>>got his hands on your Frontier.
>>
>>I believe in natural consequences. If a child runs into a wall, he soon
>>learns that it hurts and stops running into the wall.
>>
>>The natural consequence of being rough with a Vue is that he pays for the
>>repairs, not you. He will learn not to be rough with vehicles or learn to
>>get a 2nd job.
>>
>>Jeff
>
> I have to totally agree!
>
> Why in hell would anyone keep providing cars to kids that can't/won't
> take care of them.
>
> Actually why in hell provide ANY cars to kids at all?
>
> Earn the f*ing money if you want a car and pay for it and the
> insurance!
>
> --
>
>
> Scott in Florida
>
>

Your mother spent a lot of time at truck stops, eh?