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From: Mr Ed on 9 Nov 2009 10:30 "C. E. White" <cewhite3(a)mindspring.com> wrote in message news:6Y-dnXElQaLDrGrXnZ2dnUVZ_uKdnZ2d(a)earthlink.com... > > "Not Me" <Not.Me(a)Home.Base> wrote in message > news:neWdnXKt3Y2WbGvXnZ2dnUVZ_uJi4p2d(a)speakeasy.net... >> jr92 wrote: >>> I had the same problem happen to me many years ago. My '76 Pinto had >>> the throttle stick wide open. After about 8 minutes, and a top end >>> speed of about 67mph, I found a cotton field and ran it into it, >>> slowing me down enough that I could jump out of the car before it hit >>> a fence post. I wasnt hurt, but it cost me 94 bucks to replace the >>> bumper that was busted >> >> Lucky you didn't burn to death in the fuel fire Pintos were famous for. > > While Pinto's may have been famous for this, it was not a justifiable > accusation. The facts are much different that the perception. Pintos were > no more likely to catch on fire that other small cars from the same era. > Pintos were the victim of a viscous smear campaign sort of like what is > building over this Toyota floor mat / cruise control / unintended > acceleration issue. > > Ed It was a justifiable accusation. My son's car was rear ended and it shortened his Pinto by 4 inches. We wrapped a chain around the bumper to a tree, floored it and got 3 inches back. We looked at his gas tank and it had the drain plug indentation in the gas tank metal. He was one of the lucky ones. It didn't pierce it and explode. The drain plug should have been placed elsewhere out of dangers way. Then if it exploded it would be a normal accident. Mr Ed http://www.ed-camin.com http://home.earthlink.net/~bcamin/betty.htm http://www.mountairykiwanis.org http://www.ma-artleague.org http://home.earthlink.net/~j3dogs/index.htm http://home.earthlink.net/~donnahayes/index.htm
From: E. Meyer on 9 Nov 2009 12:09 On 11/9/09 9:30 AM, in article hJadnXIdqY48qGXXnZ2dnUVZ_qSdnZ2d(a)earthlink.com, "Mr Ed" <ecamin(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > "C. E. White" <cewhite3(a)mindspring.com> wrote in message > news:6Y-dnXElQaLDrGrXnZ2dnUVZ_uKdnZ2d(a)earthlink.com... >> >> "Not Me" <Not.Me(a)Home.Base> wrote in message >> news:neWdnXKt3Y2WbGvXnZ2dnUVZ_uJi4p2d(a)speakeasy.net... >>> jr92 wrote: >>>> I had the same problem happen to me many years ago. My '76 Pinto had >>>> the throttle stick wide open. After about 8 minutes, and a top end >>>> speed of about 67mph, I found a cotton field and ran it into it, >>>> slowing me down enough that I could jump out of the car before it hit >>>> a fence post. I wasnt hurt, but it cost me 94 bucks to replace the >>>> bumper that was busted >>> >>> Lucky you didn't burn to death in the fuel fire Pintos were famous for. >> >> While Pinto's may have been famous for this, it was not a justifiable >> accusation. The facts are much different that the perception. Pintos were >> no more likely to catch on fire that other small cars from the same era. >> Pintos were the victim of a viscous smear campaign sort of like what is >> building over this Toyota floor mat / cruise control / unintended >> acceleration issue. >> >> Ed > It was a justifiable accusation. My son's car was rear ended and it > shortened his Pinto by 4 inches. We wrapped a chain around the bumper to a > tree, floored it and got 3 inches back. We looked at his gas tank and it > had the drain plug indentation in the gas tank metal. He was one of the > lucky ones. It didn't pierce it and explode. The drain plug should have > been placed elsewhere out of dangers way. Then if it exploded it would be a > normal accident. > And that was the essence of it. It was a very small car (by 1970's standards) and because of the placement & design of the gas tank, if they were rear-ended, they could & did blow up. To call it a "fuel fire" really doesn't connote the actual problem. Paranoia at the time smeared across all Fords and for a while, all you could find in the used car lots were used Fords as people dumped them for anything else. I got a really nice '70 Torino wagon for $150 at the height of the craziness. Drove it for 6 months until things settled down & sold it for $500. > Mr Ed > http://www.ed-camin.com > http://home.earthlink.net/~bcamin/betty.htm > http://www.mountairykiwanis.org > http://www.ma-artleague.org > http://home.earthlink.net/~j3dogs/index.htm > http://home.earthlink.net/~donnahayes/index.htm > >
From: Al Falfa on 9 Nov 2009 15:07 "E. Meyer" <epmeyer50(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:C71DA903.1376D%epmeyer50(a)gmail.com... > Paranoia at the time smeared across all Fords and for a while, all you > could > find in the used car lots were used Fords as people dumped them for > anything > else. I got a really nice '70 Torino wagon for $150 at the height of the > craziness. Drove it for 6 months until things settled down & sold it for > $500. > A friend of mine was crushed to death while unloading the trunk of her Ford when it jumped from park into reverse. Then, of course, there were the exploding gas tanks on those Chevrolet and GMC pickups. Tort reform. That's the answer.
From: Sharx35 on 9 Nov 2009 18:03 "Al Falfa" <crop(a)eastforty.fld> wrote in message news:4af876a7$1(a)newsgate.x-privat.org... > > "E. Meyer" <epmeyer50(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > news:C71DA903.1376D%epmeyer50(a)gmail.com... >> Paranoia at the time smeared across all Fords and for a while, all you >> could >> find in the used car lots were used Fords as people dumped them for >> anything >> else. I got a really nice '70 Torino wagon for $150 at the height of the >> craziness. Drove it for 6 months until things settled down & sold it for >> $500. >> > A friend of mine was crushed to death while unloading the trunk of her > Ford when it jumped from park into reverse. Then, of course, there were > the exploding gas tanks on those Chevrolet and GMC pickups. Tort reform. > That's the answer. > > > What kind of idiot would unload the trunk with the engine running and the Parking Brake not engaged?
From: hls on 9 Nov 2009 18:54
"Sharx35" <sharx35(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:md1Km.52154 > > What kind of idiot would unload the trunk with the engine running and the > Parking Brake not engaged? I had the same thoughts, but decided not to post them. People can shortcircuit even a foolproof system |