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From: Larry Pollard on 6 Jul 2010 23:30 Hey John, when I look up randomly selected cards on http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov I can clearly see that Toyota / Lexus typically have fewer recalls and of less severity than Ford or GM. So what's your agenda, really? American carmaker sent you to Mexico and your wife left you for the gardner named Raoul shortly thereafter? Have no fear, the Japanese are still making their cars in America, just apply for a job at Toyota.
From: Heywood Jablowme on 7 Jul 2010 10:22 "Gary L. Burnore" <gburnore(a)databasix.com> wrote in message news:i10s59$7d1$2(a)blackhelicopter.databasix.com... > On Tue, 06 Jul 2010 23:30:53 -0400, Larry Pollard <lpol(a)gbustmail.com> > wrote: > >>Hey John, when I look up randomly selected cards on >> >>http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov >> >>I can clearly see that Toyota / Lexus typically have fewer recalls and >>of less severity than Ford or GM. So what's your agenda, really? > > His best girl left him for a toyota tech. john can't afford to keep a human girl. He has a latex girl. It's full of patches! LOL!
From: C. E. White on 7 Jul 2010 22:43 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Pollard" <lpol(a)gbustmail.com> Newsgroups: rec.autos.tech,alt.autos.toyota,alt.autos.toyota.camry,alt.autos.toyota.prius,alt.autos.lexus Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 11:30 PM Subject: Re: Toyota Recalls Defective Engines in Lexus GS350, GS450h, GS460, IS350, LS460, LS600h, LS600hL > Hey John, when I look up randomly selected cards on > > http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov > > I can clearly see that Toyota / Lexus typically have fewer recalls and > of less severity than Ford or GM. So is this true, or do you only believe it to be true. Certainly it is easy to pick years/models where GM or Ford had more recalls than Toyota, but it is also easy to do the reverse. And given Toyota long history of covering up defects, or at least trying to minimize the negative publicity by trying to blame Customers or suppliers for problems, are you sure the "good" Toyota statistics are meaningful? For years Toyota was able to fly under the radar because they were a relatively small player in the US market, mostly sold simplier cars that had the bugs worked out in other markets, and were able to bury the details of the defects in Japanese language reports in Japanese offices. Now that they are one of the true "big three," introduce new design to the US market concurrently with introduction in other markets, and have significant US based engineering and manufacturing operations,. they are looking a whole lot more like GM. Name a problem GM has had, and I'll bet Toyota as had it also. Ask Toyota owners that suffered from sludged engines, defective accelerator pedals, defective ball joints, rusted out frames, rollover prone 4Runners, blown head gaskets, disintegrating paint, etc, etc, about how great Toyota Customer service is. Until recently it often required years of fighting and threats from NHTSA before Toyota would even admit they had problems. Maybe Toyota has changed but don't count on it. Ed
From: Larry Pollard on 8 Jul 2010 00:04
On Wed, 7 Jul 2010 22:43:41 -0400, "C. E. White" <cewhite3remove(a)mindspring.com> wrote: >For years Toyota was able to fly under the radar because they were a >relatively small player in the US market, mostly sold simplier cars that had >the bugs worked out in other markets, and were able to bury the details of >the defects in Japanese language reports in Japanese offices. Now that they >are one of the true "big three," introduce new design to the US market >concurrently with introduction in other markets, and have significant US >based engineering and manufacturing operations,. they are looking a whole >lot more like GM. Name a problem GM has had, and I'll bet Toyota as had it >also. Ask Toyota owners that suffered from sludged engines, defective >accelerator pedals, defective ball joints, rusted out frames, rollover prone >4Runners, blown head gaskets, disintegrating paint, etc, etc, about how >great Toyota Customer service is. Until recently it often required years of >fighting and threats from NHTSA before Toyota would even admit they had >problems. Maybe Toyota has changed but don't count on it. Looks like it's your word against any organization who ever did any sort of survey or scientific testing. Do you wake up every morning and decide to be a douchebag or only most days? |