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From: Ray O on 1 Feb 2008 01:01

"Devils Advocate" <devilsadvocate66(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Devils Advocate" <devilsadvocate66(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:479f08aa$0$4042$9a566e8b(a)news.aliant.net...
>>> Didn't start rig in 1 week.
>>>
>>> Go out yesterday, and the heater did not work on any level. Keep it
>>> going for about 1/2 hr, then get in slam the ds door, and bingo the
>>> heater works on all levels.
>>>
>>> go figure????
>>
>> What model year, how many miles, how long and how many miles since the
>> coolant was changed and what kind of coolant was used?
>>
>> When you say that the heater did not work, do you mean that the heater
>> blower was working but it was blowing cold air or was the heater blower
>> not working and warm air only drifting out of the vents?
>> --
>>
>
> I thought I made myself quite clear.
>
> I said the heater would not work on any levels, meaning low, med, med high
> and high.....the blower would nto cut in.
> After 1/2 hr started, get in slam door, and bingo heater working on all
> levels.

You mentioned the "heater" but it sounds like you have a problem with the
blower. I asked those questions because the information was not quite clear
to me, and the information I requested will help me or a competent
technician diagnose the cause of the problem, or at least point you to some
things to check.

The "heater" works by allowing hot engine coolant to flow through the heater
core, and the temperature setting on the dashboard regulates how much
coolant flows through the heater core. A problem with the heater would
relate to coolant flow through the heater control valve and heater core.

The blower is the fan under the passenger and moves air past the heater
core.

The damper system regulates where the air moving past the heater core comes
from and at where the air comes into the passenger compartment. Some people
describe the air outlets as "high," meaning the dashboard vents, "medium,"
meaning a mix from the dashboard and floor vents, and "low," meaning the
floor vents.

Rather than have you check stuff that does not relate to the cause of the
problem, I asked for a clarification. I've listened to literally thousands
of people describe problems with their cars and have learned that people
have different ways of describing those problems. Most of those people
don't like checking or paying someone to check something that had nothing to
do with what they were trying to describe, so asking additional questions
for clarification helps avoid this.

>
> rav4 1998 (mileage means nothing on this issue)
>
> weird to say the least

I generally try not to ask irrelevant questions, although I'll admit that
some may seem so sometimes.

Mileage is almost always a relevant question when talking about a problem
with a vehicle because it provides clues as to how much use the vehicle and
the components in the vehicle have had. In this case, mileage could mean
something on this issue if it is related to the heater, blower motor, and
blower resistor pack. The coolant questions are not as relevant if you are
talking about the blower or dampers, but if you are talking about the
heater, then they can mean something on this issue.

Also, are there any aftermarket electrical accessories installed, like an
audio system, remote starter, security system, etc.? Whoever installed the
accessory may have double-tapped one or more terminals in the junction block
and loosened a relay, or a wire splice may have worked itself loose, and
slamming the door may have jiggled the loose connection.

--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)


From: Devils Advocate on 1 Feb 2008 06:47

"Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message
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>
> "Devils Advocate" <devilsadvocate66(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:47a11edf$0$4049$9a566e8b(a)news.aliant.net...
>>
>> "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message
>> news:kuidnbBS15avlz3anZ2dnUVZ_tmhnZ2d(a)comcast.com...
>>>
>>> "Devils Advocate" <devilsadvocate66(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:479f08aa$0$4042$9a566e8b(a)news.aliant.net...
>>>> Didn't start rig in 1 week.
>>>>
>>>> Go out yesterday, and the heater did not work on any level. Keep it
>>>> going for about 1/2 hr, then get in slam the ds door, and bingo the
>>>> heater works on all levels.
>>>>
>>>> go figure????
>>>
>>> What model year, how many miles, how long and how many miles since the
>>> coolant was changed and what kind of coolant was used?
>>>
>>> When you say that the heater did not work, do you mean that the heater
>>> blower was working but it was blowing cold air or was the heater blower
>>> not working and warm air only drifting out of the vents?
>>> --
>>>
>>
>> I thought I made myself quite clear.
>>
>> I said the heater would not work on any levels, meaning low, med, med
>> high and high.....the blower would nto cut in.
>> After 1/2 hr started, get in slam door, and bingo heater working on all
>> levels.
>
> You mentioned the "heater" but it sounds like you have a problem with the
> blower. I asked those questions because the information was not quite
> clear to me, and the information I requested will help me or a competent
> technician diagnose the cause of the problem, or at least point you to
> some things to check.
>
> The "heater" works by allowing hot engine coolant to flow through the
> heater core, and the temperature setting on the dashboard regulates how
> much coolant flows through the heater core. A problem with the heater
> would relate to coolant flow through the heater control valve and heater
> core.
>
> The blower is the fan under the passenger and moves air past the heater
> core.
>
> The damper system regulates where the air moving past the heater core
> comes from and at where the air comes into the passenger compartment.
> Some people describe the air outlets as "high," meaning the dashboard
> vents, "medium," meaning a mix from the dashboard and floor vents, and
> "low," meaning the floor vents.
>
> Rather than have you check stuff that does not relate to the cause of the
> problem, I asked for a clarification. I've listened to literally
> thousands of people describe problems with their cars and have learned
> that people have different ways of describing those problems. Most of
> those people don't like checking or paying someone to check something that
> had nothing to do with what they were trying to describe, so asking
> additional questions for clarification helps avoid this.
>
>>
>> rav4 1998 (mileage means nothing on this issue)
>>
>> weird to say the least
>
> I generally try not to ask irrelevant questions, although I'll admit that
> some may seem so sometimes.
>
> Mileage is almost always a relevant question when talking about a problem
> with a vehicle because it provides clues as to how much use the vehicle
> and the components in the vehicle have had. In this case, mileage could
> mean something on this issue if it is related to the heater, blower motor,
> and blower resistor pack. The coolant questions are not as relevant if
> you are talking about the blower or dampers, but if you are talking about
> the heater, then they can mean something on this issue.
>
> Also, are there any aftermarket electrical accessories installed, like an
> audio system, remote starter, security system, etc.? Whoever installed
> the accessory may have double-tapped one or more terminals in the junction
> block and loosened a relay, or a wire splice may have worked itself loose,
> and slamming the door may have jiggled the loose connection.
>
> --
>
> Ray O
> (correct punctuation to reply)

Everything is original on this rig.
Logic tells me either a) a loose connection somewhere b) something was froze
as keeping it going for 1/2 hr resolve the issue.
>
>


From: Ray O on 1 Feb 2008 20:26

"Devils Advocate" <devilsadvocate66(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message
> news:3YednXv8j6_M-TzanZ2dnUVZ_uyinZ2d(a)comcast.com...
>>
>> "Devils Advocate" <devilsadvocate66(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:47a11edf$0$4049$9a566e8b(a)news.aliant.net...
>>>
>>> "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message
>>> news:kuidnbBS15avlz3anZ2dnUVZ_tmhnZ2d(a)comcast.com...
>>>>
>>>> "Devils Advocate" <devilsadvocate66(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:479f08aa$0$4042$9a566e8b(a)news.aliant.net...
>>>>> Didn't start rig in 1 week.
>>>>>
>>>>> Go out yesterday, and the heater did not work on any level. Keep it
>>>>> going for about 1/2 hr, then get in slam the ds door, and bingo the
>>>>> heater works on all levels.
>>>>>
>>>>> go figure????
>>>>
>>>> What model year, how many miles, how long and how many miles since the
>>>> coolant was changed and what kind of coolant was used?
>>>>
>>>> When you say that the heater did not work, do you mean that the heater
>>>> blower was working but it was blowing cold air or was the heater blower
>>>> not working and warm air only drifting out of the vents?
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>
>>> I thought I made myself quite clear.
>>>
>>> I said the heater would not work on any levels, meaning low, med, med
>>> high and high.....the blower would nto cut in.
>>> After 1/2 hr started, get in slam door, and bingo heater working on all
>>> levels.
>>
>> You mentioned the "heater" but it sounds like you have a problem with the
>> blower. I asked those questions because the information was not quite
>> clear to me, and the information I requested will help me or a competent
>> technician diagnose the cause of the problem, or at least point you to
>> some things to check.
>>
>> The "heater" works by allowing hot engine coolant to flow through the
>> heater core, and the temperature setting on the dashboard regulates how
>> much coolant flows through the heater core. A problem with the heater
>> would relate to coolant flow through the heater control valve and heater
>> core.
>>
>> The blower is the fan under the passenger and moves air past the heater
>> core.
>>
>> The damper system regulates where the air moving past the heater core
>> comes from and at where the air comes into the passenger compartment.
>> Some people describe the air outlets as "high," meaning the dashboard
>> vents, "medium," meaning a mix from the dashboard and floor vents, and
>> "low," meaning the floor vents.
>>
>> Rather than have you check stuff that does not relate to the cause of the
>> problem, I asked for a clarification. I've listened to literally
>> thousands of people describe problems with their cars and have learned
>> that people have different ways of describing those problems. Most of
>> those people don't like checking or paying someone to check something
>> that had nothing to do with what they were trying to describe, so asking
>> additional questions for clarification helps avoid this.
>>
>>>
>>> rav4 1998 (mileage means nothing on this issue)
>>>
>>> weird to say the least
>>
>> I generally try not to ask irrelevant questions, although I'll admit that
>> some may seem so sometimes.
>>
>> Mileage is almost always a relevant question when talking about a problem
>> with a vehicle because it provides clues as to how much use the vehicle
>> and the components in the vehicle have had. In this case, mileage could
>> mean something on this issue if it is related to the heater, blower
>> motor, and blower resistor pack. The coolant questions are not as
>> relevant if you are talking about the blower or dampers, but if you are
>> talking about the heater, then they can mean something on this issue.
>>
>> Also, are there any aftermarket electrical accessories installed, like an
>> audio system, remote starter, security system, etc.? Whoever installed
>> the accessory may have double-tapped one or more terminals in the
>> junction block and loosened a relay, or a wire splice may have worked
>> itself loose, and slamming the door may have jiggled the loose
>> connection.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Ray O
>> (correct punctuation to reply)
>
> Everything is original on this rig.
> Logic tells me either a) a loose connection somewhere b) something was
> froze as keeping it going for 1/2 hr resolve the issue.
>>

Hopefully the issue is permanently resolved!
--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)


From: Devils Advocate on 1 Feb 2008 08:25

"Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message
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>
> "Devils Advocate" <devilsadvocate66(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:47a1b5fb$0$4031$9a566e8b(a)news.aliant.net...
>>
>> "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message
>> news:3YednXv8j6_M-TzanZ2dnUVZ_uyinZ2d(a)comcast.com...
>>>
>>> "Devils Advocate" <devilsadvocate66(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:47a11edf$0$4049$9a566e8b(a)news.aliant.net...
>>>>
>>>> "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message
>>>> news:kuidnbBS15avlz3anZ2dnUVZ_tmhnZ2d(a)comcast.com...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Devils Advocate" <devilsadvocate66(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:479f08aa$0$4042$9a566e8b(a)news.aliant.net...
>>>>>> Didn't start rig in 1 week.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Go out yesterday, and the heater did not work on any level. Keep it
>>>>>> going for about 1/2 hr, then get in slam the ds door, and bingo the
>>>>>> heater works on all levels.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> go figure????
>>>>>
>>>>> What model year, how many miles, how long and how many miles since the
>>>>> coolant was changed and what kind of coolant was used?
>>>>>
>>>>> When you say that the heater did not work, do you mean that the heater
>>>>> blower was working but it was blowing cold air or was the heater
>>>>> blower not working and warm air only drifting out of the vents?
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I thought I made myself quite clear.
>>>>
>>>> I said the heater would not work on any levels, meaning low, med, med
>>>> high and high.....the blower would nto cut in.
>>>> After 1/2 hr started, get in slam door, and bingo heater working on all
>>>> levels.
>>>
>>> You mentioned the "heater" but it sounds like you have a problem with
>>> the blower. I asked those questions because the information was not
>>> quite clear to me, and the information I requested will help me or a
>>> competent technician diagnose the cause of the problem, or at least
>>> point you to some things to check.
>>>
>>> The "heater" works by allowing hot engine coolant to flow through the
>>> heater core, and the temperature setting on the dashboard regulates how
>>> much coolant flows through the heater core. A problem with the heater
>>> would relate to coolant flow through the heater control valve and heater
>>> core.
>>>
>>> The blower is the fan under the passenger and moves air past the heater
>>> core.
>>>
>>> The damper system regulates where the air moving past the heater core
>>> comes from and at where the air comes into the passenger compartment.
>>> Some people describe the air outlets as "high," meaning the dashboard
>>> vents, "medium," meaning a mix from the dashboard and floor vents, and
>>> "low," meaning the floor vents.
>>>
>>> Rather than have you check stuff that does not relate to the cause of
>>> the problem, I asked for a clarification. I've listened to literally
>>> thousands of people describe problems with their cars and have learned
>>> that people have different ways of describing those problems. Most of
>>> those people don't like checking or paying someone to check something
>>> that had nothing to do with what they were trying to describe, so asking
>>> additional questions for clarification helps avoid this.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> rav4 1998 (mileage means nothing on this issue)
>>>>
>>>> weird to say the least
>>>
>>> I generally try not to ask irrelevant questions, although I'll admit
>>> that some may seem so sometimes.
>>>
>>> Mileage is almost always a relevant question when talking about a
>>> problem with a vehicle because it provides clues as to how much use the
>>> vehicle and the components in the vehicle have had. In this case,
>>> mileage could mean something on this issue if it is related to the
>>> heater, blower motor, and blower resistor pack. The coolant questions
>>> are not as relevant if you are talking about the blower or dampers, but
>>> if you are talking about the heater, then they can mean something on
>>> this issue.
>>>
>>> Also, are there any aftermarket electrical accessories installed, like
>>> an audio system, remote starter, security system, etc.? Whoever
>>> installed the accessory may have double-tapped one or more terminals in
>>> the junction block and loosened a relay, or a wire splice may have
>>> worked itself loose, and slamming the door may have jiggled the loose
>>> connection.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Ray O
>>> (correct punctuation to reply)
>>
>> Everything is original on this rig.
>> Logic tells me either a) a loose connection somewhere b) something was
>> froze as keeping it going for 1/2 hr resolve the issue.
>>>
>
> Hopefully the issue is permanently resolved!
> --
>
> Ray O
> (correct punctuation to reply)

Sold the vehicle yesterday.
>
>


From: Hachiroku on 1 Feb 2008 18:22
On Fri, 01 Feb 2008 09:55:59 -0330, Devils Advocate wrote:

>>> Everything is original on this rig.
>>> Logic tells me either a) a loose connection somewhere b) something was
>>> froze as keeping it going for 1/2 hr resolve the issue.
>>>>
>>>>
>> Hopefully the issue is permanently resolved! --
>>
>> Ray O
>> (correct punctuation to reply)
>
> Sold the vehicle yesterday.
>>

I'd say that's fairly permanent!


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