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From: PerfectReign on 28 Nov 2009 23:43
On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 23:30:44 -0500, Ed Pawlowski fired up the
etcha-a-sketch and scratched out:

> "Eric O." <me(a)here.com> wrote in message
> news:heq0ov$60b$1(a)news.bbs-scene.org...
>
>
>> My '87 had the 3.8L V6 engine.
>
> Many of them did not make 100k. The newer version 38000 is OK, but some
> had manifold gasket problems.

Speaking of Toyota Quality...

http://www.myfoxla.com/dpp/money/times-toyota-throttle-acceleration-
problems-20091128

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-toyota-
throttle29-2009nov29,0,5254584.story

Motorists, experts say throttles, not floor mats, to blame for sudden
acceleration in Toyota, Lexus models
Amid widening concern over acceleration events, Toyota has cited 'floor
mat entrapment.' But reports point to another potential cause: the
electronic throttles that have replaced mechanical systems.


(I was wondering how a floor mat - stuck *UNDER* a gas pedal could cause
it to open. It would - in fact - close.)


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a turn signal is a statement, not a request
From: hls on 29 Nov 2009 19:30

"PerfectReign" <theperfectreign(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> (I was wondering how a floor mat - stuck *UNDER* a gas pedal could cause
> it to open. It would - in fact - close.)

> perfectreign
> www.perfectreign.com || www.ecmplace.com
> a turn signal is a statement, not a request

If you were to look at one carefully, you would see how this could happen.
It is VERY possible,
if you have aftermarket or poorly fitted floormats. But, this may not be
the total answer.

Let's wait until the total story is told.
I am convinced our two Toyotas are safe. If I find differently, I will be
out for blood too, but
up to now that has not been the case.


From: Uncle_vito on 29 Nov 2009 23:00
Correct assessment. Also Toyota is not going to spend $ millions fixing the
wrong problem (floor mats instead of throttle bodies). Toyota wants this
fixed as much as anybody if there really is a design problem.

Vito


"hls" <hls(a)nospam.nix> wrote in message
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>
> "PerfectReign" <theperfectreign(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> (I was wondering how a floor mat - stuck *UNDER* a gas pedal could cause
>> it to open. It would - in fact - close.)
>
>> perfectreign
>> www.perfectreign.com || www.ecmplace.com
>> a turn signal is a statement, not a request
>
> If you were to look at one carefully, you would see how this could happen.
> It is VERY possible,
> if you have aftermarket or poorly fitted floormats. But, this may not be
> the total answer.
>
> Let's wait until the total story is told.
> I am convinced our two Toyotas are safe. If I find differently, I will be
> out for blood too, but
> up to now that has not been the case.
>
>
>


From: Mike Hunter on 30 Nov 2009 10:19
If one practices placing the shift lever in neutral and turning the key to
off, they should be fine.


"Uncle_vito" <uncle_vito2002(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Correct assessment. Also Toyota is not going to spend $ millions fixing
> the wrong problem (floor mats instead of throttle bodies). Toyota wants
> this fixed as much as anybody if there really is a design problem.
>
> Vito
>
>
> "hls" <hls(a)nospam.nix> wrote in message
> news:ytidneFT8-m4j47WnZ2dnUVZ_gydnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
>>
>> "PerfectReign" <theperfectreign(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>
>>> (I was wondering how a floor mat - stuck *UNDER* a gas pedal could cause
>>> it to open. It would - in fact - close.)
>>
>>> perfectreign
>>> www.perfectreign.com || www.ecmplace.com
>>> a turn signal is a statement, not a request
>>
>> If you were to look at one carefully, you would see how this could
>> happen. It is VERY possible,
>> if you have aftermarket or poorly fitted floormats. But, this may not be
>> the total answer.
>>
>> Let's wait until the total story is told.
>> I am convinced our two Toyotas are safe. If I find differently, I will
>> be out for blood too, but
>> up to now that has not been the case.
>>
>>
>>
>
>


From: William R. Walsh on 30 Nov 2009 22:16
Hi!

> Speaking of Toyota Quality...

I don't care about their quality. I wish they'd quit blaring their
advertising on the radio in my CHEVY. Not going to buy one, not interested
in the slightest, don't care that it's snowing and blowing and that this
seemingly means it is time for Toyotathon. Go away.

> But reports point to another potential cause: the electronic throttles
> that have replaced mechanical systems.

I just don't like this idea at all. Call me silly, but...

Well, let's see. The computer responds to the ignition switch and its
positioning. It decides what to do when the accelerator is pressed and
breaks any direct connection you have. I know these sorts of things don't
fail often, but I don't like the possibility of a "turn off now, dammit"
request being ignored when all other means of stopping have failed.

I guess my unwillingness to drive a vehicle with an electronic throttle is
going to limit my choices.

> (I was wondering how a floor mat - stuck *UNDER* a gas pedal could
> cause it to open. It would - in fact - close.)

It might curl up in the cold. I had some cheap plastic mats that would do
this in my S-10. So one night I went to stamp down (and yes, I probably knew
better) a raised up spot in the mat. It ended up pushing the gas pedal down
so hard that I lit up the tires right there in the grocery store parking
lot.

William


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