From: chuckcar on 18 Apr 2010 15:56 me <noemail(a)nothere.com> wrote in news:7c4ls5lra2fll651kl3ujlr5dr6ejq5d7d(a)4ax.com: > On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 09:55:00 -1000, dsi1 > <dsi1(a)humuhumunukunukuapua'a.org> wrote: > >>On 4/17/2010 4:27 AM, me wrote: >> >>> I had a problem with my Toyota back in 1986 while still under >>> factory warranty. It was a relatively small problem but could result >>> in a car fire. It was clearly a design issue and likely affecting >>> every single Toyota they'd made. >>> >> >>What was the problem? Is there a reason why you are not saying what it >>is? I'd sure want to know. Thanks. > > The problem was three fold: First, the air intake ducts under the cowl > were on the bottom, not rear (firewall) or ducted from above as they > are on better designed cars. That allows (and almost begs for) foreign > matter such as pine needles to be pulled into the duct system. Second, > the fan then chops that material and sends it along to the third > problem: the heating fan resistors were exposed wound wire type that > literally glowed cherry red when used to keep the fan on lower speeds > (unlike properly designed systems in other vehicles where they are > encased in an aluminum cover/heatsink). > > The result was that the bottom draft duct design allowed the material > to be pulled in, the fan then chopped it up and packed it against the > resistors, then the resistors ignited it. Fire would result, with the > fan literally fanning the flames. > > The ductwork problem is not easily rectified in the field, it's a > engineering issue. However, the problem could have been repaired > simply by encasing the resistors in an aluminum heatsink/cover that > would have prevented ignition. Well, you don't get massive fuel economy for nothing *something* has to burn. I suppose your car didn't have a radiator either? -- (setq (chuck nil) car(chuck) )
From: David Z on 22 Apr 2010 07:48 "David Z" <me(a)privacy.net> wrote in message news:839gq2F34eU1(a)mid.individual.net... > "David Z" <me(a)privacy.net> wrote in message > news:830vcmFhi2U1(a)mid.individual.net... >> "me" <noemail(a)nothere.com> wrote in message >> news:lgfms59fi9bs5ne8du47h67qtvpi9va523(a)4ax.com... >>> On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 00:12:19 -1000, dsi1 <dsi1(a)spamnet.com> wrote: >>> >>>>Thanks for the info. I'll have to check this out when I see an 86 >>>>Toyota. >>> >>> You'll have to, because I certainly won't be... that was the third >>> Toyota I owned, but the last. So, I don't know when they moved to a >>> better design like other manufacturers were using. Not that other >>> manufacturers like Nissan, Honda, etc haven't had their issues too, >>> and American history on engineering and defects is sometimes quite the >>> hoot. But, I didn't need to be jerked around again by corporate >>> attorneys when my car needed a simple $300 warranty repair due to bad >>> design. >> >> What do you own/drive now? > > Well? By your own standard, your whine doesn't hold water unless you can > name a car brand that does better by its customers. What do you > drive/own? The silence speaks volumes. The guy probably bought another Toyota and now is embarrassed to admit it.
From: E. Meyer on 22 Apr 2010 11:59 On 4/22/10 6:48 AM, in article 83arbmF319U1(a)mid.individual.net, "David Z" <me(a)privacy.net> wrote: > "David Z" <me(a)privacy.net> wrote in message > news:839gq2F34eU1(a)mid.individual.net... >> "David Z" <me(a)privacy.net> wrote in message >> news:830vcmFhi2U1(a)mid.individual.net... >>> "me" <noemail(a)nothere.com> wrote in message >>> news:lgfms59fi9bs5ne8du47h67qtvpi9va523(a)4ax.com... >>>> On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 00:12:19 -1000, dsi1 <dsi1(a)spamnet.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks for the info. I'll have to check this out when I see an 86 >>>>> Toyota. >>>> >>>> You'll have to, because I certainly won't be... that was the third >>>> Toyota I owned, but the last. So, I don't know when they moved to a >>>> better design like other manufacturers were using. Not that other >>>> manufacturers like Nissan, Honda, etc haven't had their issues too, >>>> and American history on engineering and defects is sometimes quite the >>>> hoot. But, I didn't need to be jerked around again by corporate >>>> attorneys when my car needed a simple $300 warranty repair due to bad >>>> design. >>> >>> What do you own/drive now? >> >> Well? By your own standard, your whine doesn't hold water unless you can >> name a car brand that does better by its customers. What do you >> drive/own? > > The silence speaks volumes. The guy probably bought another Toyota and now > is embarrassed to admit it. > > More likely he either dropped you in his kill file and never saw it, or just got tired of the playful banter and went looking for a serious car forum.
From: Paul Hovnanian P.E. on 22 Apr 2010 14:07 john wrote: > "The Japanese automaker also said it had been able to duplicate a flaw > in the skid control system on new Lexus GX 460 sport utility vehicles, > but said it had not yet settled on exactly how to fix the problem. Big sticker on the dash that reads "THIS IS AN SUV. NOT A SPORTS CAR. DRIVE ACCORDINGLY". -- Paul Hovnanian paul(a)hovnanian.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Have gnu, will travel.
From: Michael on 22 Apr 2010 16:21 On Apr 17, 7:27 am, me <noem...(a)nothere.com> wrote: > On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 06:21:31 -0700, "Bill" > > <billnomailnosp...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >This could be a problem with the Asian culture or language. > > >For one, I think it is rude in that culture to point out that something is > >wrong? To confront someone and say they are not correct, etc. To tell > >someone their product has faults. No problem doing this in America... > > >Then due to the complexity of languages there, I think it is common for > >people to never fully understand everything in their languages. I think they > >tend to be passive if they don't understand something someone says - do > >nothing. In America we would say "What do you mean? Please explain!" > > You're in the ballpark, but I don't know that you are hitting the > nail. Toyota REFUSES to admit to problems, even when they are glaring > and obvious and have serious implications. That may be somewhat > cultural, but they know enough about business that they realize the > business implications of denial, or acknowledgement, both culturally > and in a business sense. > > I had a problem with my Toyota back in 1986 while still under factory > warranty. It was a relatively small problem but could result in a car > fire. It was clearly a design issue and likely affecting every single > Toyota they'd made. What was the problem? How did you fix it? Michael
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