From: Ralph Mowery on

"in2dadark" <in2dadark(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>Sounds like the other guy was a parts swapper? Swap >out this and that
>and hope it works. And of course they want to start with >the most
>expensive item.

I almost wish that the parts swapper had done that to my car. Had a 91
Camry a few years back that started running rough and would sometimes cut
off. I put in plugs, coil and wires. No help. The Autozone help page
mentioned a mass air flow sensor (think that was it) but it cost over $ 500.
Thought I would take it to a dealer to find out. After 3 weeks of swapping
parts out, they finally decided on that sensor and it fixed the problem. I
wound up with about 2 or 3 othe sensors for about $ 100 each, a new set of
wires as I had not used Toyota wires and a few other things. By the time
they finished with it, I had about $ 1400 in the repair. I would not have
minded the cost of the $ 500 sensor and labor to change it, but it really
ticked me off they replaced other things and took 3 weeks to repair it.



From: Ray O on

"Scott Dorsey" <kludge(a)panix.com> wrote in message
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> Mike Hunter <Mikehunt2(a)lycos,com> wrote:
>>That is one reason the most often replaced GOOD part on todays vehicles,
>>is
>>the O2 sensor. LOL
>
> Is the number two the coil, still?
> --scott
>
>
> --
> "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

I would guess #2 is mass air flow sensors.
--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)


From: Ray O on

"Ralph Mowery" <rmowery28146(a)earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>
> "in2dadark" <in2dadark(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:c8477940-090f-4df1-ac07-2cf953ab882a(a)p35g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
>
>>Sounds like the other guy was a parts swapper? Swap >out this and that
>>and hope it works. And of course they want to start with >the most
>>expensive item.
>
> I almost wish that the parts swapper had done that to my car. Had a 91
> Camry a few years back that started running rough and would sometimes cut
> off. I put in plugs, coil and wires. No help. The Autozone help page
> mentioned a mass air flow sensor (think that was it) but it cost over $
> 500. Thought I would take it to a dealer to find out. After 3 weeks of
> swapping parts out, they finally decided on that sensor and it fixed the
> problem. I wound up with about 2 or 3 othe sensors for about $ 100 each,
> a new set of wires as I had not used Toyota wires and a few other things.
> By the time they finished with it, I had about $ 1400 in the repair. I
> would not have minded the cost of the $ 500 sensor and labor to change it,
> but it really ticked me off they replaced other things and took 3 weeks to
> repair it.

the dealer should have put the car on a scope to check the ignition system.
Aftermarket ignition can cause those symptoms that the parts can be checked
with a scope. The MAF sensor probably only needed cleaning.
--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)


From: Ralph Mowery on

"Ray O" <rokigawa(a)NOSPAMtristarassociates.com> wrote in message
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>> By the time they finished with it, I had about $ 1400 in the repair. I
>> would not have minded the cost of the $ 500 sensor and labor to change
>> it, but it really ticked me off they replaced other things and took 3
>> weeks to repair it.
>
> the dealer should have put the car on a scope to check the ignition
> system. Aftermarket ignition can cause those symptoms that the parts can
> be checked with a scope. The MAF sensor probably only needed cleaning.
> --
>
> Ray O
> (correct punctuation to reply)
>

Cleaning it sure would have saved me a bunch. That dealership is not known
for very good mechanics, I found out later.

I doubt they even know how to use a scope on the engine.

A co-worker took a car there for running rough. They changed the spark
plugs among other things. Car ran ok for a week and then acted up again.
The co-worker decided to look at the plugs and found they had only replaced
7 of the 8 plugs. It was not replaced as it was very hard to get to. Had
to be an origional plug as it was a differant brand than the other 7.

This is a Ford/Toyota dealership and it was a Ford with the 8 plugs.




From: Mike Hunter on
In the old days it was the condenser, in the distruster. As long as the
points did not burn, the condenser will last a lifetime.

My 71 Pinto, with 300,000 miles on the odometer still has the original
condenser, although I've changed points more times than I can remember. I
carry one in the glove box in case it does fail some day. ;)


"Scott Dorsey" <kludge(a)panix.com> wrote in message
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> Mike Hunter <Mikehunt2(a)lycos,com> wrote:
>>That is one reason the most often replaced GOOD part on todays vehicles,
>>is
>>the O2 sensor. LOL
>
> Is the number two the coil, still?
> --scott
>
>
> --
> "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."