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From: fred on 29 Nov 2009 19:39
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop(a)nastydesigns.com> wrote in
news:elmop-DA4761.21090527112009(a)nothing.attdns.com:

> In article <4b1084b9$0$19712$ce5e7886(a)news-radius.ptd.net>,
> "Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2(a)lycos,com> wrote:
>
>> I owned six Lexus LS V8s, never again. Since I have switched to a
>> domestic brand for my luxury vehicle, I have saved thousands in the
>> purchase price and hundred in maintenance costs LOL
>
> Well, let's see. You plainly don't know anything about TCO--because all
> you can focus on is "how much does it cost to buy from the salesman".
>
> And your story about "I owned six of them, never again" reminds me of a
> story I heard about a group of people sitting around, drinking, and
> ending up all going to the hospital because they drank a bottle of red
> liquid lye. You'd think that after the *first* guy drank some....but
> no, they were stupid--just like you were.
>
One wonders how old he is: 39 years for his Pinto (which goes back
*before* Lexus existed) and 6 Lexus before that.

Message-ID: <4b1085ad$0$19710$ce5e7886(a)news-radius.ptd.net>

Don't feed the troll.


From: C. E. White on 30 Nov 2009 07:49

"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message
news:pan.2009.11.26.18.55.17.126174(a)e86.GTS...
> On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 09:10:48 -0800, john wrote:
>
>> Posted: Nov. 26, 2009
>> Toyota has a lot riding on fixes for recalled vehicles Changes
>> won't be
>> cheap, but they may protect firm's image
>>
>> BY GREG GARDNER
>> FREE PRESS BUSINESS WRITER
>>
>> Toyota Motor Corp.'s willingness to go beyond replacing floor mats
>> will
>> raise the cost of its largest-ever recall, but it may contain any
>> damage
>> in the marketplace, industry experts said Wednesday.
>>
>> Beginning in January, dealers will cut nearly an inch off the lower
>> edge
>> of the gas pedal and adjust the width, a company spokesman said.
>> Replacement pedals are to be available starting in April.
>
> See? Toyota has already made plans to rectify the situation. You can
> expect them to move forward instead of regressing, too. Look for
> more
> great cars from Toyota.

What choice did Toyota have? Even if the Toyota engineers are sure it
is just a floor mat problem, a lot of the fear mongers in the world
are promoting radical (and illogical) causes for the problem. I am
sure Toyota exec see now this sort of thing came spin out of control
and blow up to include whole product lines (i.e., a crappy batch of
Firestone tires or a bad batch of crusie control switches). Doing
everything possible to correct the real problems may keep things under
control. By physically altering the accelerator pedals, Toyota is
sending a clear message that the problem is related to the pedal
shape, pedal placement, and floor mats. In a rational world, this
should be enough to dampen down all the hype. Unfortunately for
Toyota, the world is not always rational.

In the past Toyota routinely swept problems under the rug. But now
that they are the number one car brand in the US, they are the target
of every crazy conspiracy theorist and trial lawyer attack group in
the US. Who is going to waste their time making up stuff about
Chrysler products, when Toyota presents such a huge target?

Ed


From: Mike Hunter on 30 Nov 2009 10:44
Actually I'm 83 and my first Toyota was a '57 Toyopet, sonny. Plus another
five Toyotas, before I started to buy Lexus LS V8s. I also currently own
a 1964 Mustang V8 convertible, a 1941 Continental convertible, 1983
Continental Mark IV, 2005 Lincoln LS V8 that I keep at my home in Key West,
as well as a 2009 Mustang GT convertible and a 2010 Lincoln MKZ that are my
daily drivers.

The Lexus LS V8s were great cars, but the six Lincolns that I owed since I
stopped buying Lexus LS V8s in 1999, have proven to be just as good as any
Lexus I owned. The difference is the Lincolns cost thousands of dollars
less to drive home. The shop rate at the Lincoln dealership is $25 less
than the shop rate at the Lexus dealership,
saving me hundreds of dollars over ten years.


"fred" <fred(a)bedrock.rock> wrote in message
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> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop(a)nastydesigns.com> wrote in
> news:elmop-DA4761.21090527112009(a)nothing.attdns.com:
>
>> In article <4b1084b9$0$19712$ce5e7886(a)news-radius.ptd.net>,
>> "Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2(a)lycos,com> wrote:
>>
>>> I owned six Lexus LS V8s, never again. Since I have switched to a
>>> domestic brand for my luxury vehicle, I have saved thousands in the
>>> purchase price and hundred in maintenance costs LOL
>>
>> Well, let's see. You plainly don't know anything about TCO--because all
>> you can focus on is "how much does it cost to buy from the salesman".
>>
>> And your story about "I owned six of them, never again" reminds me of a
>> story I heard about a group of people sitting around, drinking, and
>> ending up all going to the hospital because they drank a bottle of red
>> liquid lye. You'd think that after the *first* guy drank some....but
>> no, they were stupid--just like you were.
>>
> One wonders how old he is: 39 years for his Pinto (which goes back
> *before* Lexus existed) and 6 Lexus before that.
>
> Message-ID: <4b1085ad$0$19710$ce5e7886(a)news-radius.ptd.net>
>
> Don't feed the troll.
>
>


From: SMS on 30 Nov 2009 14:42
Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <4b13e871$0$7162$ce5e7886(a)news-radius.ptd.net>,
> "Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2(a)lycos,com> wrote:
>
>> The Lexus LS V8s were great cars, but the six Lincolns that I owed since I
>> stopped buying Lexus LS V8s in 1999, have proven to be just as good as any
>> Lexus I owned. The difference is the Lincolns cost thousands of dollars
>> less to drive home.
>
> That's nice.
>
> They also were worth many thousands of dollars less when you went to
> sell them.
>
> Tell us what the total cost of ownership was of the Lexus as opposed to
> the Lincolns--or don't you know that?
>
> No, you wouldn't. You only know "the Lincolns cost me less to drive
> home".

And the customers that looks only at the drive home cost are the legal
prey of the dealers that sell vehicles with poor resale value. Lincoln
is 4th from the bottom in terms of resale value according to Kelly Blue
Book. Lexus is 7th from the top.

Amusingly, reliability ratings seem to not necessarily jive with resale
value. The top-rated brand in terms of resale value was VW.

Personally, resale value isn't a big issue for me since I keep my
vehicles a very long time. Reliability and cost of repairs is a much
bigger issue.
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