From: ron on
wait until nobama I mean Government Motors correct this obviously flawed
data. All the random checks were the ones that showed driver error - this
can't be true..............

They (Toyota) called my Highlander (08) and did the "recall) - it sure isn't
obvious as there was never a problem in the first place - now its proven
again. I put the "loose" floor mat back in and I still can't make the pedal
stick.

From: Clive on
In message <Ubm%n.31456$3%3.23596(a)newsfe23.iad>, ron
<randus3(a)teranews.com> writes
>They (Toyota) called my Highlander (08) and did the "recall) - it sure
>isn't obvious as there was never a problem in the first place - now its
>proven again. I put the "loose" floor mat back in and I still can't
>make the pedal stick.
I've had my Toyota Auris recalled for a new accelerator pedal, the old
one was OK, the new one feels exactly the same.
--
Clive
From: C. E. White on
"dbu," <nospam(a)nobama.com.invalid> wrote in message
news:NpWdnUKpyL55RqDRnZ2dnUVZ_t-dnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
> <http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2010/07/14/toyota-black-box-tests-driver-
> error-caused-crashes/>
>
> The U.S. Department of Transportation has analyzed dozens of data
> recorders from Toyota Motor Corp. vehicles involved in accidents blamed
> on sudden acceleration and found that the throttles were wide open and
> the brakes weren't engaged at the time of the crash, people familiar
> with the findings said.
>
> The early results suggest that some drivers who said their Toyotas and
> Lexuses surged out of control were mistakenly flooring the accelerator
> when they intended to jam on the brakes.

I've always assumed that most UA incidents for most makes were related to
pedal confusion. BUT...

1) If a particular model has an unusually high number of reported UA
incidents doesn't that suggest a problem eve if the problem is the physical
location of the pedals? At the very least the pedal confusion problems
indicate poor ergonomics.

2) How would the flight recorder know if the "wide open throttle" was due to
a pedal jammed under a mat, a stuck accelerator pedal, some sort of
electronic glitch, or pedal confusion. I doubt the problems are do to an
electronic glitch, but suppose they are, wouldn't that imply that the
computer data cannot be trusted? Of course the fact that the computer
records indicate the brakes weren't pressed indicates some of the more
extreme cases were mostly the result of driver error, but how about the
cases where cars supposedly surged out of control and crashed before the
drivers had a chance to react? In such cases how would the computer records
indicate that the problem was actually cased by pedal confusion? It would
record that a signal was sent to the throttle, but how would it know the
actual origin of the signal?

Ed

From: Ray O on

"C. E. White" <cewhite3(a)mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:38SdnW_E6MQfoKPRnZ2dnUVZ_uSdnZ2d(a)earthlink.com...
> "dbu," <nospam(a)nobama.com.invalid> wrote in message
> news:NpWdnUKpyL55RqDRnZ2dnUVZ_t-dnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
>> <http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2010/07/14/toyota-black-box-tests-driver-
>> error-caused-crashes/>
>>
>> The U.S. Department of Transportation has analyzed dozens of data
>> recorders from Toyota Motor Corp. vehicles involved in accidents blamed
>> on sudden acceleration and found that the throttles were wide open and
>> the brakes weren't engaged at the time of the crash, people familiar
>> with the findings said.
>>
>> The early results suggest that some drivers who said their Toyotas and
>> Lexuses surged out of control were mistakenly flooring the accelerator
>> when they intended to jam on the brakes.
>
> I've always assumed that most UA incidents for most makes were related to
> pedal confusion. BUT...
>
> 1) If a particular model has an unusually high number of reported UA
> incidents doesn't that suggest a problem eve if the problem is the
> physical location of the pedals? At the very least the pedal confusion
> problems indicate poor ergonomics.
>
> 2) How would the flight recorder know if the "wide open throttle" was due
> to a pedal jammed under a mat, a stuck accelerator pedal, some sort of
> electronic glitch, or pedal confusion. I doubt the problems are do to an
> electronic glitch, but suppose they are, wouldn't that imply that the
> computer data cannot be trusted? Of course the fact that the computer
> records indicate the brakes weren't pressed indicates some of the more
> extreme cases were mostly the result of driver error, but how about the
> cases where cars supposedly surged out of control and crashed before the
> drivers had a chance to react? In such cases how would the computer
> records indicate that the problem was actually cased by pedal confusion?
> It would record that a signal was sent to the throttle, but how would it
> know the actual origin of the signal?
>
> Ed

There are 2 throttle pedal position sensors and a throttle position sensor.
The throttle pedal position sensor would indicate the position of the pedal,
and the throttle position sensor readings should correspond with the pedal
position. If the pedal position is closed but the throttle itself is open,
then the so-called electronic glitch might be present but if the 2 pedal and
1 tp sensors all agree, the likelihood of the glitch is pretty much nil.
--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)