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From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 25 May 2010 22:21
Cross posting because there are people in each group who might be able to
help with this one.

I think it's known I have a number of cars, and as such I try to stay on
the "cheap" side of parts.

The subject this time is my '88 Supra. ~215,000 miles, tired springs, dry
rotting strut mounts, and worn bushings.

I have a set of springs from an '88 that had Eibachs installed at 20,000
miles, so they should be good. They sure *look* new!

I got Energy Suspension bushings from AutoZone ( I was surprised to see
them because in the past two years, NO ONE had them!) They are black, I
believe they are polyurethane. I'll know tomorrow...

Now, shocks. I believe Toyotas come with Tokico shocks OEM.

I can get Koni adjustables from Tire Rack for ~$100 each. A lot of Supra
owners say these are the BEST for all around driving. I find the price a
bit much...

KYBs, which I used to think were a good strut are ~$50, but I don't think
they're as good as they used to be. They do come with a Lifetime warranty.

Tokicos run ~$58-100, with "Performance"~$78

Bilsteins for this car are ~$110

Gabriels ~$50

So, I want a good strut, moderate performance, and won't break down after
a couple years. ANy techs/performance guys have an idea which would be a
good all-around strut (Other than the Koni yellows, of course!
From: Nate Nagel on 25 May 2010 23:00
On 05/25/2010 10:21 PM, Hachiroku ハチロク wrote:
> Cross posting because there are people in each group who might be able to
> help with this one.
>
> I think it's known I have a number of cars, and as such I try to stay on
> the "cheap" side of parts.
>
> The subject this time is my '88 Supra. ~215,000 miles, tired springs, dry
> rotting strut mounts, and worn bushings.
>
> I have a set of springs from an '88 that had Eibachs installed at 20,000
> miles, so they should be good. They sure *look* new!
>
> I got Energy Suspension bushings from AutoZone ( I was surprised to see
> them because in the past two years, NO ONE had them!) They are black, I
> believe they are polyurethane. I'll know tomorrow...
>
> Now, shocks. I believe Toyotas come with Tokico shocks OEM.
>
> I can get Koni adjustables from Tire Rack for ~$100 each. A lot of Supra
> owners say these are the BEST for all around driving. I find the price a
> bit much...
>
> KYBs, which I used to think were a good strut are ~$50, but I don't think
> they're as good as they used to be. They do come with a Lifetime warranty.
>
> Tokicos run ~$58-100, with "Performance"~$78
>
> Bilsteins for this car are ~$110
>
> Gabriels ~$50
>
> So, I want a good strut, moderate performance, and won't break down after
> a couple years. ANy techs/performance guys have an idea which would be a
> good all-around strut (Other than the Koni yellows, of course!

Personally, I would go with the Konis or Bilsteins. I have not had good
luck with KYBs. I have no experience with Tokico. Probably not
applicable to a Supra but the Gabriels on my Studebaker feel a little
underdamped.

I've had Konis on both my Scirocco and 944 and love 'em... Also
Bilsteins on the rear of the 944 to replace some almost-new KYBs which
were rattling badly.

Let's put it this way... I love Konis so much I am trying to figure out
how to fit them to my Studebaker and have gone so far as to buy a pair
of rear shocks for a 70's Camaro which I believe can be modded to fit.

nate

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From: FatterDumber& Happier Moe on 26 May 2010 04:37
Hachiroku ハチロク wrote:
> Cross posting because there are people in each group who might be able to
> help with this one.
>
> I think it's known I have a number of cars, and as such I try to stay on
> the "cheap" side of parts.
>
> The subject this time is my '88 Supra. ~215,000 miles, tired springs, dry
> rotting strut mounts, and worn bushings.
>
> I have a set of springs from an '88 that had Eibachs installed at 20,000
> miles, so they should be good. They sure *look* new!
>
> I got Energy Suspension bushings from AutoZone ( I was surprised to see
> them because in the past two years, NO ONE had them!) They are black, I
> believe they are polyurethane. I'll know tomorrow...
>
> Now, shocks. I believe Toyotas come with Tokico shocks OEM.
>
> I can get Koni adjustables from Tire Rack for ~$100 each. A lot of Supra
> owners say these are the BEST for all around driving. I find the price a
> bit much...
>
> KYBs, which I used to think were a good strut are ~$50, but I don't think
> they're as good as they used to be. They do come with a Lifetime warranty.
>
> Tokicos run ~$58-100, with "Performance"~$78
>
> Bilsteins for this car are ~$110
>
> Gabriels ~$50
>
> So, I want a good strut, moderate performance, and won't break down after
> a couple years. ANy techs/performance guys have an idea which would be a
> good all-around strut (Other than the Koni yellows, of course!

I need rear struts for my old Camry, just getting something like the
factory struts would be plenty good enough for the kind of driving I do.
What I'm wondering is, the car bottoms out now on big bumps and I'm
wondering if I need stronger springs or is new struts will take care of
that problem. I'd kind of planned on just getting them at autozone
since they have a spring compressor to use when installing the struts.
From: 1 Lucky Texan on 26 May 2010 08:53
On May 25, 9:21 pm, Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B <Tru...(a)e86.GTS> wrote:
> Cross posting because there are people in each group who might be able to
> help with this one.
>
> I think it's known I have a number of cars, and as such I try to stay on
> the "cheap" side of parts.
>
> The subject this time is my '88 Supra. ~215,000 miles, tired springs, dry
> rotting strut mounts, and worn bushings.
>
> I have a set of springs from an '88 that had Eibachs installed at 20,000
> miles, so they should be good. They sure *look* new!
>
> I got Energy Suspension bushings from AutoZone ( I was surprised to see
> them because in the past two years, NO ONE had them!) They are black, I
> believe they are polyurethane. I'll know tomorrow...
>
> Now, shocks. I believe Toyotas come with Tokico shocks OEM.
>
> I can get Koni adjustables from Tire Rack for ~$100 each. A lot of Supra
> owners say these are the BEST for all around driving. I find the price a
> bit much...
>
> KYBs, which I used to think were a good strut are ~$50, but I don't think
> they're as good as they used to be. They do come with a Lifetime warranty.
>
> Tokicos run ~$58-100, with "Performance"~$78
>
> Bilsteins for this car are ~$110
>
> Gabriels ~$50
>
> So, I want a good strut, moderate performance, and won't break down after
> a couple years. ANy techs/performance guys have an idea which would be a
> good all-around strut (Other than the Koni yellows, of course!

I know nothing about Toy struts, but folks were reworking Soob struts
with Koni Yellows. maybe there's a DIY for your Toy struts out there
that shows how to do that?

anyway, good luck.
From: S on 26 May 2010 12:00
Hi Hachiroku!

On Tue, 25 May 2010 22:21:08 -0400, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno(a)e86.GTS>
wrote:

>So, I want a good strut, moderate performance, and won't break down after
>a couple years. ANy techs/performance guys have an idea which would be a
>good all-around strut (Other than the Koni yellows, of course!

I've been very happy with the Tokico Illuminas on my 1st gen MR2,
running TRD "track" springs. I've also had the non-adjustible Tokico's
installed on a different MR2 (my daughters car before she left for
college) using the stock springs, and they were also good; a bit
firmer than stock, and well damped.
The Illuminas have lasted a long time, several autocross seasons
(CSP), and lately, a bunch of commuter time. I can't say re. lifetime
of the non-adjustible ones, but they were fine when we sold the car
after two years under a teen driver, with a few autocross events (ESL)
thrown in as well.
I run Koni's on my current autoX car, a '91 Miata (CSP), with very
stiff springs (like 500/350). They work very well, but I can't comment
on longevity, as they have only been in use for one season plus a
couple events, and have never really seen any street time.
I'd go with the Tokico non-adjustibles; look for a good deal on ebay,
or perhaps one of the Toyota club classified forums.
Supra. Mmmmm.
I just scored a '91 Celica convertible in absolutely beautiful
condition, short of the front end having been wrapped around a
smallish Aspen tree in a snowstorm over the winter. You wouldn't
believe what the ~2 inch tree did to the front of the car. Anyway,
I've already found a matching hood and bumper, and hopefully I can
beat the radiator supports back into position. Once I get it back on
the road, I'll be looking to upgrade the boingers as well, so let me
know what you end up with.

ByeBye! S.

Steve Jernigan KG0MB
Laboratory Manager
Microelectronics Research
University of Colorado
(719) 262-3101
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