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From: JoeSpareBedroom on 21 Sep 2009 16:54
"dbu`" <nospam(a)nobama.com.invalid> wrote in message
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> In article <KYQtm.16677$6f4.14896(a)newsfe08.iad>,
> "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote:
>
>> "dbu`" <nospam(a)nobama.com.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:4p-dnWharYGURirXnZ2dnUVZ_s6dnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
>> > In article <CdPtm.16661$6f4.11857(a)newsfe08.iad>,
>> > "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> "dbu`" <nospam(a)nobama.com.invalid> wrote in message
>> >> news:tN-dnUJlbPeOIirXnZ2dnUVZ_ghi4p2d(a)giganews.com...
>> >> > In article <16Ntm.438953$Ta5.330549(a)newsfe15.iad>,
>> >> > "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> "dbu`" <nospam(a)nobama.com.invalid> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:KvadnTLf5eAiACrXnZ2dnUVZ_qednZ2d(a)giganews.com...
>> >> >> > In article
>> >> >> > <652484e2-f2cc-4ff7-a40b-9b993bcdc85d(a)g23g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>,
>> >> >> > edspyhill01 <edspyhill01(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> On Sep 21, 9:07 am, Mark <bogusmailm...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> > Yup, the gubmint is gonna fix everything, Homie... how 'bout a
>> >> >> >> > ticket
>> >> >> >> > on the Titanic?
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > On Sep 21, 12:15 am, SMS <scharf.ste...(a)geemail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> What have the republicans proposed to reform healthcare and make
>> >> >> >> it
>> >> >> >> more affordable?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Tort reform for a start, it would save billions. GWB our great
>> >> >> > president proposed it years ago, the dims don't want it, for
>> >> >> > obvious
>> >> >> > reasons. obama the lie, sure wouldn't want to upset part of his
>> >> >> > base,
>> >> >> > the lawyers who make up much of congress and and have paid for
>> >> >> > protection.
>> >> >> > --
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Why didn't republicans pass tort reform legislation when they
>> >> >> controlled
>> >> >> congress and had a republican president who'd sign anything they
>> >> >> told
>> >> >> him
>> >> >> to?
>> >> >
>> >> > Because the dims, most of them liars didn't want it. The
>> >> > Republicans
>> >> > didn't control congress. As you know, for a party to have *control*
>> >> > they would need 60 votes in the senate. The Republicans never
>> >> > attained
>> >> > the magic number. The dims would have filibustered it.
>> >> > --
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Any answer simple enough for you to think it's real MUST be the wrong
>> >> answer. So, what REALLY happened with tort reform?
>> >
>> > The lawyers paid protection money, contributions to the dnc. The dims
>> > can't afford to let them down and pass tort reform.
>> > --
>> >
>>
>>
>> Was there any specific legislation which was voted down, or didn't it
>> even
>> get that far?
>
> Do you think obama will allow tort reform?


You must've overlooked the question I asked in my previous message. Here it
is again:

Was there any specific legislation which was voted down, or didn't it even
get that far?


From: larry moe 'n curly on 21 Sep 2009 18:22


dbu` wrote:
>
> In article
> <652484e2-f2cc-4ff7-a40b-9b993bcdc85d(a)g23g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>,
> edspyhill01 <edspyhill01(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > What have the republicans proposed to reform healthcare and make it
> > more affordable?
>
> Tort reform for a start, it would save billions.

FreedomWorks, an anti-reform organization that's a front for the
private health insurance industry, said, on the News Hour, that it
would save $100B. OTOH the CBO gave a figure of I believe $25-35B.
Health care costs us about $2,500B a year, so at best your idea will
save 4%, or roughly 0.7% of GDP. That's not much because in reality
the main problem is the health insurance companies, which have
increased their share of the US economy from 1.1% in the 1960s to 5%
now. On a dollar basis per patient, our private health insurers
consume as much as the Japanese health care system does for both
insurance and treatment.

Tort reform is just a kneejerk idea that addresses only a very small
part of the problem, so what's your real solution?








GWB our great
> president proposed it years ago, the dims don't want it, for obvious
> reasons. obama the lie, sure wouldn't want to upset part of his base,
> the lawyers who make up much of congress and and have paid for
> protection.
> --
From: larry moe 'n curly on 21 Sep 2009 19:00


dbu` wrote:

> In article <16Ntm.438953$Ta5.330549(a)newsfe15.iad>,
> "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote:
>
> > What have the republicans proposed to reform healthcare and make it
>> more affordable?
>
> Tort reform for a start, it would save billions. GWB our great
> president proposed it years ago, the dims don't want it, for obvious
> reasons. obama the lie, sure wouldn't want to upset part of his base,
> the lawyers who make up much of congress and and have paid for
> protection.
>
> > Why didn't republicans pass tort reform legislation when they controlled
> > congress and had a republican president who'd sign anything they told him
> > to?
>
> Because the dims, most of them liars didn't want it. The Republicans
> didn't control congress. As you know, for a party to have *control*
> they would need 60 votes in the senate. The Republicans never attained
> the magic number. The dims would have filibustered it.

That requires discipline, unity, and parliamentary skill, all factors
the Democrats have always lacked and that have resulted in them having
less power while in the majority than the Republicans often had while
in the minority.
From: JoeSpareBedroom on 21 Sep 2009 19:05
"dbu`" <nospam(a)nobama.com.invalid> wrote in message
news:__2dnTkJMe23cirXnZ2dnUVZ_rCdnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
> In article <DKRtm.16681$6f4.8402(a)newsfe08.iad>,
> "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote:
>
>> "dbu`" <nospam(a)nobama.com.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:GZadnan4ONrReirXnZ2dnUVZ_vOdnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
>> > In article <KYQtm.16677$6f4.14896(a)newsfe08.iad>,
>> > "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> "dbu`" <nospam(a)nobama.com.invalid> wrote in message
>> >> news:4p-dnWharYGURirXnZ2dnUVZ_s6dnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
>> >> > In article <CdPtm.16661$6f4.11857(a)newsfe08.iad>,
>> >> > "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> "dbu`" <nospam(a)nobama.com.invalid> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:tN-dnUJlbPeOIirXnZ2dnUVZ_ghi4p2d(a)giganews.com...
>> >> >> > In article <16Ntm.438953$Ta5.330549(a)newsfe15.iad>,
>> >> >> > "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> "dbu`" <nospam(a)nobama.com.invalid> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> news:KvadnTLf5eAiACrXnZ2dnUVZ_qednZ2d(a)giganews.com...
>> >> >> >> > In article
>> >> >> >> > <652484e2-f2cc-4ff7-a40b-9b993bcdc85d(a)g23g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>
>> >> >> >> > ,
>> >> >> >> > edspyhill01 <edspyhill01(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> On Sep 21, 9:07 am, Mark <bogusmailm...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> > Yup, the gubmint is gonna fix everything, Homie... how
>> >> >> >> >> > 'bout a
>> >> >> >> >> > ticket
>> >> >> >> >> > on the Titanic?
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > On Sep 21, 12:15 am, SMS <scharf.ste...(a)geemail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> What have the republicans proposed to reform healthcare and
>> >> >> >> >> make
>> >> >> >> >> it
>> >> >> >> >> more affordable?
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Tort reform for a start, it would save billions. GWB our
>> >> >> >> > great
>> >> >> >> > president proposed it years ago, the dims don't want it, for
>> >> >> >> > obvious
>> >> >> >> > reasons. obama the lie, sure wouldn't want to upset part of
>> >> >> >> > his
>> >> >> >> > base,
>> >> >> >> > the lawyers who make up much of congress and and have paid for
>> >> >> >> > protection.
>> >> >> >> > --
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Why didn't republicans pass tort reform legislation when they
>> >> >> >> controlled
>> >> >> >> congress and had a republican president who'd sign anything they
>> >> >> >> told
>> >> >> >> him
>> >> >> >> to?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Because the dims, most of them liars didn't want it. The
>> >> >> > Republicans
>> >> >> > didn't control congress. As you know, for a party to have
>> >> >> > *control*
>> >> >> > they would need 60 votes in the senate. The Republicans never
>> >> >> > attained
>> >> >> > the magic number. The dims would have filibustered it.
>> >> >> > --
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Any answer simple enough for you to think it's real MUST be the
>> >> >> wrong
>> >> >> answer. So, what REALLY happened with tort reform?
>> >> >
>> >> > The lawyers paid protection money, contributions to the dnc. The
>> >> > dims
>> >> > can't afford to let them down and pass tort reform.
>> >> > --
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Was there any specific legislation which was voted down, or didn't it
>> >> even
>> >> get that far?
>> >
>> > Do you think obama will allow tort reform?
>>
>>
>> You must've overlooked the question I asked in my previous message. Here
>> it
>> is again:
>>
>> Was there any specific legislation which was voted down, or didn't it
>> even
>> get that far?
>
> When you decide to start answering my questions satisfactorily then
> maybe we can continue. Your turn.
> --
>



If you are so drunk that you can't see that I asked the first question,
there *IS* no reason to continue.


From: JoeSpareBedroom on 21 Sep 2009 19:28
"dbu`" <nospam(a)nobama.com.invalid> wrote in message
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> In article <7FTtm.16826$6f4.3145(a)newsfe08.iad>,
> "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote:
>
>> "dbu`" <nospam(a)nobama.com.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:__2dnTkJMe23cirXnZ2dnUVZ_rCdnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
>> > In article <DKRtm.16681$6f4.8402(a)newsfe08.iad>,
>> > "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> "dbu`" <nospam(a)nobama.com.invalid> wrote in message
>> >> news:GZadnan4ONrReirXnZ2dnUVZ_vOdnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
>> >> > In article <KYQtm.16677$6f4.14896(a)newsfe08.iad>,
>> >> > "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> "dbu`" <nospam(a)nobama.com.invalid> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:4p-dnWharYGURirXnZ2dnUVZ_s6dnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
>> >> >> > In article <CdPtm.16661$6f4.11857(a)newsfe08.iad>,
>> >> >> > "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> "dbu`" <nospam(a)nobama.com.invalid> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> news:tN-dnUJlbPeOIirXnZ2dnUVZ_ghi4p2d(a)giganews.com...
>> >> >> >> > In article <16Ntm.438953$Ta5.330549(a)newsfe15.iad>,
>> >> >> >> > "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> "dbu`" <nospam(a)nobama.com.invalid> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> >> news:KvadnTLf5eAiACrXnZ2dnUVZ_qednZ2d(a)giganews.com...
>> >> >> >> >> > In article
>> >> >> >> >> > <652484e2-f2cc-4ff7-a40b-9b993bcdc85d(a)g23g2000vbr.googlegroups.c
>> >> >> >> >> > om>
>> >> >> >> >> > ,
>> >> >> >> >> > edspyhill01 <edspyhill01(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> On Sep 21, 9:07 am, Mark <bogusmailm...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> > Yup, the gubmint is gonna fix everything, Homie... how
>> >> >> >> >> >> > 'bout a
>> >> >> >> >> >> > ticket
>> >> >> >> >> >> > on the Titanic?
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> > On Sep 21, 12:15 am, SMS <scharf.ste...(a)geemail.com>
>> >> >> >> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> What have the republicans proposed to reform healthcare
>> >> >> >> >> >> and
>> >> >> >> >> >> make
>> >> >> >> >> >> it
>> >> >> >> >> >> more affordable?
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > Tort reform for a start, it would save billions. GWB our
>> >> >> >> >> > great
>> >> >> >> >> > president proposed it years ago, the dims don't want it,
>> >> >> >> >> > for
>> >> >> >> >> > obvious
>> >> >> >> >> > reasons. obama the lie, sure wouldn't want to upset part
>> >> >> >> >> > of
>> >> >> >> >> > his
>> >> >> >> >> > base,
>> >> >> >> >> > the lawyers who make up much of congress and and have paid
>> >> >> >> >> > for
>> >> >> >> >> > protection.
>> >> >> >> >> > --
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Why didn't republicans pass tort reform legislation when they
>> >> >> >> >> controlled
>> >> >> >> >> congress and had a republican president who'd sign anything
>> >> >> >> >> they
>> >> >> >> >> told
>> >> >> >> >> him
>> >> >> >> >> to?
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Because the dims, most of them liars didn't want it. The
>> >> >> >> > Republicans
>> >> >> >> > didn't control congress. As you know, for a party to have
>> >> >> >> > *control*
>> >> >> >> > they would need 60 votes in the senate. The Republicans never
>> >> >> >> > attained
>> >> >> >> > the magic number. The dims would have filibustered it.
>> >> >> >> > --
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Any answer simple enough for you to think it's real MUST be the
>> >> >> >> wrong
>> >> >> >> answer. So, what REALLY happened with tort reform?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > The lawyers paid protection money, contributions to the dnc. The
>> >> >> > dims
>> >> >> > can't afford to let them down and pass tort reform.
>> >> >> > --
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Was there any specific legislation which was voted down, or didn't
>> >> >> it
>> >> >> even
>> >> >> get that far?
>> >> >
>> >> > Do you think obama will allow tort reform?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> You must've overlooked the question I asked in my previous message.
>> >> Here
>> >> it
>> >> is again:
>> >>
>> >> Was there any specific legislation which was voted down, or didn't it
>> >> even
>> >> get that far?
>> >
>> > When you decide to start answering my questions satisfactorily then
>> > maybe we can continue. Your turn.
>> > --
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> If you are so drunk that you can't see that I asked the first question,
>> there *IS* no reason to continue.
>
> You just don't like to answer questions. I'm not playing your childish
> games.



Do you think that you asked your question first, about whether Obama will
allow tort reform?

Yes or no?


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