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From: C. E. White on 9 Jul 2007 08:33 Why not just give us the URL of the IRS website that backs up your claim? Ed "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2(a)mailcity.com> wrote in message news:MsmdnQDDbdC2JxPbnZ2dnUVZ_i2dnZ2d(a)ptd.net... > So do I when I'm wrong. First one must show me where I'm wrong. > During my sixty some odd years working in the auto business as a > design engineer, a Group Sales Manager and the owner of a large > multi-state service business I have accrued a vast knowledge in all > facets of the business > > Simply because you do not know something that someone else does, or > can not find the information someone has, does not make the other > person wrong and you right so you can call them names as you so > often tend do in the NGs. > > Yet if someone tried to point out your misunderstanding of the > subject you chose to comment on, or calls you a name in return, > because you do not know as much as you think you do, you get all > bent our of shape. > > If someone tells me something about something of which I am not > aware or have limited knowledge, I try to learn from that > information. I do not start and argument with them just to be heard > on the subject. > > mike > > > > "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:Dfyji.597$MV6.530(a)trnddc01... >> Mike Hunter wrote: >>> IF a computer dummy like me can, surly an expert searcher like you >>> should be able to find it. ;) >>> >>> mike >> >> Why do you have to behave like this? >> >> Why not act like an intelligent human being, and just tell us the >> URL? >> >> You acted like this when you claimed that the first digit of the >> VIN meant something about the content, too. >> >> You don't need to act like a spoiled brat or a know-it-all or >> whatever. >> >> When I learn I am wrong, I admit it, as I did when I learned that >> Ford did indeed start with Volvo's technology. >> >> Jeff >> >>> >>> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:b4xji.33$z64.28(a)trnddc07... >>>> Mike Hunter wrote: >>>>> Based on that you assume it does not exits, naturally LOL >>>> No, I did not assume it does not exist. I looked for it on the >>>> IRS site and I looked for it on Google. >>>> >>>> I didn't find it. I have no evidence that such a list exists. >>>> >>>> Now, if you wish to back your claim, please do so. >>>> >>>> Jeff >>>> >>>>> mike >>>>> >>>>> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:0iwji.30$Y_3.21(a)trnddc04... >>>>>> Mike Hunter wrote: >>>>>>> That may be your opinion, but if you think you are correct you >>>>>>> had better notify the IRS. There is no listing of any Toyota >>>>>>> holding company paying any corporate taxes, on the IRS wed >>>>>>> site. LOL >>>>>> Can you please tell us the location of the IRS website that >>>>>> lists which companies pay taxes? >>>>>> >>>>>> I haven't found one that lists the taxes that corporations pay >>>>>> or even one the lists all the corporate tax payers. >>>>>> >>>>>> JEff >>>>>> >>>>>>> mike >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:afeji.8274$7k7.1410(a)trnddc01... >>>>>>>> Mike Hunter wrote: >>>>>>>>> Those if favor of "tax" assistance do not think of the fact >>>>>>>>> they are the ones paying the tax money that is used to >>>>>>>>> "assist," and that is going to a foreign corporation that >>>>>>>>> pays NO US federal corporate income taxes ;) >>>>>>>> But it's US subsidies do. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jeff >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> mike >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> <dold(a)12.usenet.us.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>> news:f6gclb$dij$3(a)blue.rahul.net... >>>>>>>>>> In alt.autos.ford Bill Putney <bptn(a)kinez.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> You can subtract the $787.50 from the savings because >>>>>>>>>>> *somenone* (the >>>>>>>>>>> taxapyer) pays for that. Only if you are a liberal do you >>>>>>>>>>> ignore such >>>>>>>>>>> costs. >>>>>>>>>> Only if there were no hybrids. I would like to thank you >>>>>>>>>> for paying your >>>>>>>>>> portion of my rebate, but the source of it doesn't affect >>>>>>>>>> the fit in my >>>>>>>>>> pocket. I think of it along the same lines as the >>>>>>>>>> development cost for >>>>>>>>>> Velcro, also funded by the taxpayer. >>> > >
From: C. E. White on 9 Jul 2007 08:34 "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2(a)mailcity.com> wrote in message news:97udnS1z8IW_CRPbnZ2dnUVZ_sGqnZ2d(a)ptd.net... > You make lots of counter claims that you do not back up LOL > > mike So why does that excuse you from backing up yours? Ed > "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:n9uji.9$V35.3(a)trndny03... >> Mike Hunter wrote: >>> One should know by now that our fried Jeff likes prefers others do >>> his homework. ;) >> >> Sorry, but if one makes a claim, it is up to the one making the >> claim to support it, not me. >> >> Expecting one to support his own claims is not the same as not >> doing my homework. >> >> Jeff >> >>> mike >>> >>> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:CEfji.7467$fw2.4379(a)trnddc04... >>>> Bill Putney wrote: >>>>> Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> In article <5f5catF3bdrnjU1(a)mid.individual.net>, >>>>>> Bill Putney <bptn(a)kinez.net> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> You know - I find it particularly and disgustingly dishonest >>>>>>> for a person to ask me specifically why I don't give some >>>>>>> authoritative information (in this case on NiMH battery life), >>>>>>> and then when I do exactly that, that same individual says I >>>>>>> (therefore) am a know-it-all and that his part in the >>>>>>> discussion is essentially over. >>>>>> I'm sorry, I wasn't paying attention: what authoritative >>>>>> information did you give? >>>>>> And what authoritative sources did you cite? >>>>> More dishonest tactics. The jig is up. >>>> Yeah, you've got that right. >>>> >>>> You claimed that you cited authoritative sources, yet you can say >>>> what they are. >>>> >>>> Jeff >>>> >>>>> Bill Putney >>>>> (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in >>>>> my address with the letter 'x') >>> >
From: C. E. White on 9 Jul 2007 09:01 "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2(a)mailcity.com> wrote in message news:ccadnbrM79q2_hPbnZ2dnUVZ_vOlnZ2d(a)ptd.net... > As one might expect you have it wrong because you did not do proper > research. If you did you would discover Ford had a hybrid Escape > ready for market when they purchased Volvo. Volvo was partnered in > a joint venture in Japan with Toyota, a Japanese electronics company > and another Japanese company that was developing a more advanced > system. Ford held off the hybrid Escape for a year or more in > deference to the newer more efficient system. ALL of the companies > in the joint venture are cross licensed, to all of the resulting > technology. Subsequently Toyota bought the Electronics company. > > mike The electronics company you are talking about is Aisin-Seiki. And it is not just an electronics company. Like Toyota itself, it owns and/or controls a number of subsidiaries that are in many industries. And Toyota has owned an interest in Aisin-Seiki for a long time. One of the Aisin-Seiki subsidiaries, Aisin-Warner (now Aisin AW Co., Ltd), has been supplying Toyota automatic transmissions for more than 40 years. It is often very hard to figure out who owns what when it comes to Japanese companies. As best I can determine from the Toyota web site, Toyota actually helped establish Aisin-Seiki in the 40's. Toyota owns at least 27% of Aisin-Seiki and 41% of Aisin AW. The companies are so interlocked it would be hard to say that Toyota bought the company to get the hybrid technology, since they apparently don't own any more of it now than they did 10 years ago. However, it is clearly a separate company but definitely under Toyota sphere of influence. I would assume the Volvo tie-in has more to do with the CVT transmission than any other factor. Volvo got into the CVT business when they acquired DAF in the 1970's. For many years DAF was the only company that marketed cars with CVT transmissions. Ed > > "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:NQdji.7135$4e5.2880(a)trndny07... >> Mike Hunter wrote: >>> Actually both Toyota and Ford are likened to each others >>> technology, since it was developed under a joint venture, via >>> Volvo. >> >> Actually, this article implies that Toyota developed the >> technology, and Ford licensed the technology, apparently after >> working independently. That is not a joint venture. It sounds like >> Ford and Toyota developed similar technology and crossed licensed >> the technology to avoid legal problems. >> >> This paragraph supports this idea: "Ford also licensed Toyota >> hybrids patents after its engineers realized that the system Ford >> had developed had features similar to ones patented by Toyota. >> (Honda developed a different hybrid system.)" >> > >
From: C. E. White on 9 Jul 2007 09:13 <mrv(a)kluge.net> wrote in message news:1183663896.960946.209540(a)c77g2000hse.googlegroups.com... > On Jul 3, 10:50 pm, "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <e...(a)nastydesigns.com> > wrote: >> In article <1183513496.126153.143...(a)k29g2000hsd.googlegroups.com>, >> >> "m...(a)kluge.net" <m...(a)kluge.net> wrote: >> > Sorry, I don't have data on the Ford Escape hybrid/Mercury >> > Mariner >> > hybrid, for the relevant other group... >> >> Ford licenses Toyota's HSD, do they not? > > http://www.toyota.com/about/environment/technology/2004/hybrid.html > <quote> > Is Ford using the Toyota hybrid system? > > Although the Ford hybrid system is very similar to Toyota's, Toyota > is > not directly supplying any components to Ford. Toyota and Ford have > entered into a licensing agreement allowing Ford to use technology > that had been patented by Toyota. Toyota welcomes the introduction > of > the Escape hybrid and Ford's effort to demonstrate and gain > acceptance > of this important environmental technology. > </quote> This statement is a little miss-leading (nothing unusual for Toyota). While it is true that "Toyota is not directly supplying any components to Ford," a company partially owned, and certainly controlled by Toyota, is supplying some of the primary components. Toyota certainly has patents that cover some aspects of the hybrid system Ford is using. There is nothing usual in companies licensing other companies to use technology that they have patented. Toyota itself has (and does) license technology from other companies. For years all the Toyota automatics depended on technology licensed from Borg-Warner, Ford, GM, Chrysler, etc. Ed
From: George Orwell on 9 Jul 2007 11:24
In article <df127c62fb385876500f68f0791898d6(a)pseudo.borked.net> Fred <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote: > > Wall Street Journal > > "...this [CAFE] debate is a test of who has more clout in today's > Democratic Congress -- the men and women who work in American > factories, or the affluent greens on both coasts who can afford to pay > a premium to own a Prius to indulge their concern about global warming." > > complete article: http://curio.us/8h Bump |