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From: Mike Hunter on 3 Jul 2007 16:04 Where do you live, China? ;) mike "Sean Elkins" <sean_elkins(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:sean_elkins-C6C6BB.11165703072007(a)iglou.read.readnews.com... > In article <INrii.3127$fw2.2179(a)trnddc04>, > Jeff <kidsdoc2000(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >> Sean Elkins wrote: >> > In article <elmop-FC1E79.07414103072007(a)nntp1.usenetserver.com>, >> > "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop(a)nastydesigns.com> wrote: >> > >> >> In article <5eukqtF3a8nrdU2(a)mid.individual.net>, >> >> Bill Putney <bptn(a)kinez.net> wrote: >> >> >> >>>> Most of the people I know drive something like a Chevy Silverado >> >>>> that >> >>>> costs >> >>>> as much as 2 Priuses. >> >>> ...because those other vehicles are a better value over their useful >> >>> lives. >> >> How so? >> > >> > I just bought a new Corolla (5-speed) that gets 32-41 mpg and I paid >> > $14,400 on the road for it. I couldn't have gotten nearly the same >> > discount on a Prius (msrp $22,175)) and at current gas prices the Prius >> > wouldn't save the equivalent cost in gas to make up the difference in >> > price over their useful lives. >> >> But, the cars have different options. A better comparison might have >> been comparing a Camry and Prius. >> >> It is easier to compare the Honda Civic and Honda Civic Hybrid. >> >> Jeff > > I wasn't thinking about options, I was thinking about size. A Camry is a > bigger car than a Prius, so I don't think that's a valid comparison. > > More to the point-- I would never consider buying a Camry when I can get > a more economical car that serves my needs and gets better mileage. I > couldn't have gotten any new Camry for under $15K new.
From: Jeff on 3 Jul 2007 16:05 Mike Hunter wrote: > Really? Retail prices will plummet if it is soon time to buy a battery pack > fro thousands of dollars LOL That's true. However, there is very little reason to suspect that owners will have to replace battery packs in droves at 100k mi. So far, there is very little indication that the battery packs will be problematic. Jeff > mike > > > "DH" <dh(a)stargate.com> wrote in message news:468a6590$0$10851 > >> I'd be willing to bet a quarter that most new cars are purchased by upper >> middle class Americans. They're the ones with the money. Since Prius >> resale values are holding well, the used Priuses are going to be purchased >> by upper middle class Americans, too. > >
From: Mike Hunter on 3 Jul 2007 16:08 When the salesman tells you a figure after you ask, 'How much is my monthly payment,' you may well change your mind. LOL mike "Cathy F." <clfrclfr(a)adelphia.net> wrote in message news:BcmdnVlyiupj5RfbRVn_vgA(a)giganews.com... > > "DH" <dh(a)stargate.com> wrote in message > news:468a6590$0$10851$88260bb3(a)free.teranews.com... >> "C. E. White" <cewhite3(a)removemindspring.com> wrote in message >> news:468a2e89$1(a)kcnews01... >>> "Cathy F." <clfrclfr(a)adelphia.net> wrote in message >>> news:eridnfIugMILWBTbRVn_vw(a)giganews.com... >>>> "Fred" <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in message >>>> news:df127c62fb385876500f68f0791898d6(a)pseudo.borked.net... >>>>> Wall Street Journal >>>>> >>>>> "...this [CAFE] debate is a test of who has more clout in today's >>>>> Democratic Congress -- the men and women who work in American >>>>> factories, or the affluent greens on both coasts who can afford to pay >>>>> a premium to own a Prius to indulge their concern about global >>>>> warming." >>>> >>>> The Camry is the best selling car in the U.S., right? Yet it costs a >>>> little less, as much as, or more than a Prius, depending on the pkg. >>>> the Prius comes with, & the model of the Camry. So... IMO, that theory >>>> sort of goes down the drain... >>>> >>>> Cathy >>> >>> Actually a base Camry costs a lot less than a Prius > > See above... I listed the various possible permutations. If you get the > smallest pkg. on a Prius, is it still "a lot" less? (Guess it depends on > one's def. of "a lot".) Personally, if one doesn't need the space, I've > never seen the advantage of buying a base Camry over a loaded Corolla LE. > >> and is a much roomier > > No, a Camry's not much roomier. Have you been inside a Prius? It's > plenty roomy. From the outside it looks small, but the design is such > that the interior is good-sized. > >>> car with better performance (and decent fuel economy too). If you are >>> talking strictly economics, a Corolla is a much better buy. If you are >>> trying to impress your neighbors with your "green-ness" then the Prius >>> is the way to go. >> >> Or, if you care about the possibility of global warming, our balance of >> trade and funding terrorists, the Prius is the way to go. >> >> You have no evidence, whatever, to support the notion that people buy a >> Prius to impress their neighbors. The people I know who bought a Prius >> bought it for various reasons, primarily fuel economy > > Pus even lower emissions than my present ('04) Corolla. > > and their conviction >> that gas prices would probably rise dramatically over the course of time >> and the vehicle would be cost effective. > > Depends upon how much gas prices rise &/or how long they stay up around > $3/gallon, how many miles a person drives each year, etc. But then > there's also the happiness factor. > >> They're happy with them. > > I know 2 people with a Prius. One's a veterinarian & the other is a > retired classroom aide. I talked with the latter about her car, she > *loves* it. > >> The fact that the unique-looking Prius sells well compared to the >> ordinary-looking <pick a hybrid> is sometimes cited as "lookitme" >> green-ness but that assertion overlooks the fact that the Prius >> absolutely gets better fuel economy than any other gas-powered car >> available (its unique shape offers about the lowest Cx on the road) and >> delivers 4 comfortable seats doing it. So, the evidence that it's >> "lookitme" green-ness is also evidence that people buying it care about >> fuel economy. > > Plus IMO, it's just... cute. And is a hatchback, which can be very > convenient. > >>> I don't agree with the Wall Street Journal on this, but I think if you >>> check the demographics of who is buying Priuses (?), you will find that >>> they are overwhelmingly purchased by upper middle class Americans. >>> >>> Ed >> >> I'd be willing to bet a quarter that most new cars are purchased by upper >> middle class Americans. > > How about plain ol' middle class Americans? I teach, so I've obviously > never been upper middle class. Yet have always bought my cars new, even > when in my 20's & making a very definitely low salary. I just buy > judiciously. > > They're the ones with the money. Since Prius >> resale values are holding well, > > Extremely well, acc. to the April car issue of CR (which IIRC, C.E. White > has little regard for; oh, well...) This, coupled with the rising gas > prices, are making me lean even more towards a Prius the next time around > for a new car. > > Cathy > > > > the used Priuses are going to be purchased >> by upper middle class Americans, too. > > >> >> >> >> -- >> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >> > >
From: Jeff on 3 Jul 2007 16:09 Mike Hunter wrote: > Do you think Toyota buyers would pay the 35K or more price of a Camry > hybrid? The list price of a Camry hybrid is about $33K with the most expensive package. The list price of a Camry V6 with the CVT with the most expensive package is also in the same neighborhood. Jeff > mike > > > "C. E. White" <cewhite3(a)removemindspring.com> wrote in message > news:468a4ade$1(a)kcnews01... >> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >> news:INrii.3127$fw2.2179(a)trnddc04... >> >>> But, the cars have different options. A better comparison might have been >>> comparing a Camry and Prius. >> Why not a Camry and a Camry Hybrid? >> >> Ed >> > >
From: Cathy F. on 3 Jul 2007 16:17
"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2(a)mailcity.com> wrote in message news:tIadnZAZi-hCMRfbnZ2dnUVZ_tqnnZ2d(a)ptd.net... > "Cathy F." <clfrclfr(a)adelphia.net> wrote in message > news:BcmdnVlyiupj5RfbRVn_vgA(a)giganews.com... >> >> "DH" <dh(a)stargate.com> wrote in message >> news:468a6590$0$10851$88260bb3(a)free.teranews.com... >>> "C. E. White" <cewhite3(a)removemindspring.com> wrote in message >>> news:468a2e89$1(a)kcnews01... >>>> I don't agree with the Wall Street Journal on this, but I think if you >>>> check the demographics of who is buying Priuses (?), you will find that >>>> they are overwhelmingly purchased by upper middle class Americans. >>>> >>>> Ed >>> >>> I'd be willing to bet a quarter that most new cars are purchased by >>> upper middle class Americans. >> >> How about plain ol' middle class Americans? I teach, so I've obviously >> never been upper middle class. Yet have always bought my cars new, even >> when in my 20's & making a very definitely low salary. I just buy >> judiciously. >> >> They're the ones with the money. Since Prius >>> resale values are holding well, >> >> Extremely well, acc. to the April car issue of CR (which IIRC, C.E. White >> has little regard for; oh, well...) This, coupled with the rising gas >> prices, are making me lean even more towards a Prius the next time around >> for a new car. > When the salesman tells you a figure after you ask, 'How much is my > monthly payment,' you may well change your mind. LOL > > mike > A salesman would not give me that info because I would never, ever ask for it. I would already have had it figured out at the credit union before going in to buy. I go into a dealership already knowing exactly which car I want, how much I can afford, & to within about a ~$25 window, what my monthly payments will be for a new car. Cathy |