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From: Mike Hunter on 3 Jul 2007 15:46 The very same smart Americans that trade their new car on another new car in three to four years, with 30K to 45K on the clock, yet pay a premium price that will buy ALL of the fuel for a Corolla for three or four years LOL mike "C. E. White" <cewhite3(a)removemindspring.com> wrote in message news:468a2e89$1(a)kcnews01... > > "Cathy F." <clfrclfr(a)adelphia.net> wrote in message > news:eridnfIugMILWBTbRVn_vw(a)giganews.com... >> >> "Fred" <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in message >> news:df127c62fb385876500f68f0791898d6(a)pseudo.borked.net... >>> Wall Street Journal >>> >>> "...this [CAFE] debate is a test of who has more clout in today's >>> Democratic Congress -- the men and women who work in American >>> factories, or the affluent greens on both coasts who can afford to pay >>> a premium to own a Prius to indulge their concern about global warming." >> >> The Camry is the best selling car in the U.S., right? Yet it costs a >> little less, as much as, or more than a Prius, depending on the pkg. the >> Prius comes with, & the model of the Camry. So... IMO, that theory sort >> of goes down the drain... >> >> Cathy > > Actually a base Camry costs a lot less than a Prius and is a much roomier > car with better performance (and decent fuel economy too). If you are > talking strictly economics, a Corolla is a much better buy. If you are > trying to impress your neighbors with your "green-ness" then the Prius is > the way to go. I don't agree with the Wall Street Journal on this, but I > think if you check the demographics of who is buying Priuses (?), you will > find that they are overwhelmingly purchased by upper middle class > Americans. > > Ed >
From: Mike Hunter on 3 Jul 2007 15:51 According to "Automotive News" Honda may not offer the Civic hybrid in 2008. It is more apparent to Honda customers, unlike Toyota buys how do not thing to compare the Pruis to the Corolla, that the hybrid is not worth the premium price charged by dealers ;) mike "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:INrii.3127$fw2.2179(a)trnddc04... > Sean Elkins wrote: >> In article <elmop-FC1E79.07414103072007(a)nntp1.usenetserver.com>, >> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop(a)nastydesigns.com> wrote: >> >>> In article <5eukqtF3a8nrdU2(a)mid.individual.net>, >>> Bill Putney <bptn(a)kinez.net> wrote: >>> >>>>> Most of the people I know drive something like a Chevy Silverado that >>>>> costs as much as 2 Priuses. >>>> ...because those other vehicles are a better value over their useful >>>> lives. >>> How so? >> >> I just bought a new Corolla (5-speed) that gets 32-41 mpg and I paid >> $14,400 on the road for it. I couldn't have gotten nearly the same >> discount on a Prius (msrp $22,175)) and at current gas prices the Prius >> wouldn't save the equivalent cost in gas to make up the difference in >> price over their useful lives. > > But, the cars have different options. A better comparison might have been > comparing a Camry and Prius. > > It is easier to compare the Honda Civic and Honda Civic Hybrid. > > Jeff > > >> I can't say that about the Silverado, but I also know you can't haul 55 >> 10 ft. 2X4's in a Prius. >> >> I'm all about reducing the amount of oil we import, but the hybrid is a >> poor solution to our problem of reliance on foreign energy sources.
From: Mike Hunter on 3 Jul 2007 15:53 Do you think Toyota buyers would pay the 35K or more price of a Camry hybrid? mike "C. E. White" <cewhite3(a)removemindspring.com> wrote in message news:468a4ade$1(a)kcnews01... > > "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:INrii.3127$fw2.2179(a)trnddc04... > >> But, the cars have different options. A better comparison might have been >> comparing a Camry and Prius. > > Why not a Camry and a Camry Hybrid? > > Ed >
From: Cathy F. on 3 Jul 2007 15:54 "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2(a)mailcity.com> wrote in message news:hZ6dnUq2Y7nyOxfbnZ2dnUVZ_t6qnZ2d(a)ptd.net... > Or the morons that pay $6,000 more, for a similar size car like a Corolla, > to save a relative few hundred dollars a year on fuel, then need to spend > a small fortune at some point to replace the battery pack so they can sell > or trade the Pruis. ;) I just checked the Toyota's site: the hybrid battery's warranty is for 8 years/100K miles. I tend to keep my cars a while, & the longest I've ever kept one has been 8 years, the shortest was 4, and usually it's 6 years. I personally wouldn't even begin to factor in the possible eventual cost of a new battery when deciding on purchasing a hybrid. Cathy > > mike > > "Joe" <Joe(a)dontspam.net> wrote in message > news:phjii.277$w43.267(a)newsfe04.lga... >> >> "Fred" <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in message >> news:df127c62fb385876500f68f0791898d6(a)pseudo.borked.net... >>> Wall Street Journal >>> >>> "...this [CAFE] debate is a test of who has more clout in today's >>> Democratic Congress -- the men and women who work in American >>> factories, or the affluent greens on both coasts who can afford to pay >>> a premium to own a Prius to indulge their concern about global warming." >>> >>> complete article: http://curio.us/8h >> >> Yeah, that's bad, considering the Prius is a very cheap car. They should >> look at facts in these cases, that way everybody doesn't think morons are >> writing for the wall street journal.. >> >> Most of the people I know drive something like a Chevy Silverado that >> costs as much as 2 Priuses. >> > >
From: Mike Hunter on 3 Jul 2007 16:02
Really? Retail prices will plummet if it is soon time to buy a battery pack fro thousands of dollars LOL mike "DH" <dh(a)stargate.com> wrote in message news:468a6590$0$10851 > > I'd be willing to bet a quarter that most new cars are purchased by upper > middle class Americans. They're the ones with the money. Since Prius > resale values are holding well, the used Priuses are going to be purchased > by upper middle class Americans, too. |