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From: DH on 5 Jul 2007 09:47 "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2(a)mailcity.com> wrote in message news:UoCdnWXd_reYfxfbnZ2dnUVZ_hynnZ2d(a)ptd.net... >A long time? What does YOUR warranty manual say about frequency of >service? Mine say 7,500 miles or six moths, WOF ;) > > > mike I don't normally waste time going to the dealer for routine oil changes, the dealer's twenty-five minutes away. I get oil changes wherever it's convenient (there's a place on the way to the office). Driving a Toyota, it doesn't bother me at all that the dealer is so far away; I only visit them for the major service intervals (30K, 60K, 90K), so it's not a big deal. However, when I owned Chevvies and Fords, I was at the dealership very often - for repairs - and if those dealers had been across town, that would have been very inconvenient. > "DH" <dh(a)stargate.com> wrote in message > news:468ab869$1$15142$88260bb3(a)free.teranews.com... >> "Cathy F." <clfrclfr(a)adelphia.net> wrote in message >> news:VbednYK0ULpPIRfbRVn_vgA(a)giganews.com... >>> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2(a)mailcity.com> wrote in message >>> news:K8ednfcgJtEiLRfbnZ2dnUVZ_sqdnZ2d(a)ptd.net... >>>>8 / 100K for defects is material and workmanship, not if it the pack >>>>simply wears out. If you drive more than 12,500 miles a year you >>>>should concerned, since battery, like tire warranties, are prorated on >>>>the LIST price, except for defects. If you want to educate yourself, >>>>call a Toyota dealer and ask the current replacement cost for a new >>>>battery pack. I believe you will discover that if the battery fails in >>>>just four years it will cost you over $4,000 for a replacement ;) >>>> >>>> mike >>> >>> Keep trying; so far it isn't working... >>> >>> Cathy >> >> I actually asked the local Toyota parts guy about this some months ago; >> they hadn't had to replace any batteries, yet, from even the original >> Priuses (they sold quite a few). >> >> I'll ask again, for an update on battery replacement, the next time I'm >> in for service. Of course, that could be a good, long time out in the >> future. :-) >> >> >>>> "Cathy F." <clfrclfr(a)adelphia.net> wrote in message >>>> news:79adncOhQtHlNBfbRVn_vgA(a)giganews.com... >>>>> >>>>> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2(a)mailcity.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:hZ6dnUq2Y7nyOxfbnZ2dnUVZ_t6qnZ2d(a)ptd.net... >>>>>> Or the morons that pay $6,000 more, for a similar size car like a >>>>>> Corolla, to save a relative few hundred dollars a year on fuel, then >>>>>> need to spend a small fortune at some point to replace the battery >>>>>> pack so they can sell or trade the Pruis. ;) >>>>> >>>>> I just checked the Toyota's site: the hybrid battery's warranty is for >>>>> I tend to keep my cars a while, & the longest I've ever kept one has >>>>> been 8 years, the shortest was 4, and usually it's 6 years. I >>>>> personally wouldn't even begin to factor in the possible eventual cost >>>>> of a new battery when deciding on purchasing a hybrid. >>>>> >>>>> Cathy >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> mike >>>>>> >>>>>> "Joe" <Joe(a)dontspam.net> wrote in message >>>>>> news:phjii.277$w43.267(a)newsfe04.lga... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Fred" <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:df127c62fb385876500f68f0791898d6(a)pseudo.borked.net... >>>>>>>> Wall Street Journal >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "...this [CAFE] debate is a test of who has more clout in today's >>>>>>>> Democratic Congress -- the men and women who work in American >>>>>>>> factories, or the affluent greens on both coasts who can afford to >>>>>>>> pay >>>>>>>> a premium to own a Prius to indulge their concern about global >>>>>>>> warming." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> complete article: http://curio.us/8h >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yeah, that's bad, considering the Prius is a very cheap car. They >>>>>>> should look at facts in these cases, that way everybody doesn't >>>>>>> think morons are writing for the wall street journal.. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Most of the people I know drive something like a Chevy Silverado >>>>>>> that costs as much as 2 Priuses. >> >> >> >> -- >> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >> > > -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
From: C. E. White on 5 Jul 2007 09:49 "Smitty Two" <prestwhich(a)earthlink.net> wrote in message news:prestwhich-FD600E.05335605072007(a)news.phx.highwinds-media.com... > In article <468cd68c$1(a)kcnews01>, > "C. E. White" <cewhite3(a)removemindspring.com> wrote: > >> "Smitty Two" <prestwhich(a)earthlink.net> wrote in message >> news:prestwhich-FBEE4E.07282704072007(a)news.phx.highwinds-media.com... >> >> >> Honda threw away a BUNCH of their reputation in those two >> >> fiascos. >> > >> > OTOH, my mechanic, after *40 years* of fixing cars, replaced his >> > *first* >> > Toyota transmission last year. >> >> And this proves what? That nobody owned Toyotas for 35 years? That >> your mechanic worked mostly on American cars? That most Toyota >> owners >> take their cars to the dealer for service? I had one Toyota with a >> crapped out automatic. One of my neighbors had to rebuild the >> transmission in his Toyota truck twice. None of this proves >> anything. >> >> Ed > > Have another cup of coffee, Ed. I wasn't trying to "prove" anything. > Did > I attempt to draw a *single* conclusion from this *single* anecdotal > data point? No. You were implying a conclusion, i.e. - "My mechanic has only replaced one Toyota Transmission in 40 years, so they must be really good." You might not have explicitly made the claim, but you sure implied it. > But since you want to tussle, I'll say this: My mechanic, who's more > competent than any twelve average mechanics combined, thinks that > Toyota > transmissions are the best god damn transmissions money can buy, > period. > Now, you wanna argue with him, go talk to him, not me. You must be a journalist in real life. This is the sort of reporting journalist do all the time - "according to a highly intelligent, well placed, double secret source, Toyota Transmission are the best." I am not sure what you mean when you say - "My mechanic, who's more competent than any twelve average mechanics combined." Can he do more work in a given time period that 12 average mechanics? Does he know more than the combined knowledge of 12 average mechanics? I assume you mean the latter, which really doesn't imply much because I assume that the combined knowledge of 12 average mechanics is not that much greater than one average mechanic. Most of what one average mechanic knows, another average mechanic knows as well. The combined knowledge of 12 average mechanics is probably only 25% more than the knowledge of any single average mechanic. I'd be a lot more impressed with the opinion of your mechanic if he worked in a lab that tested transmissions. Here is my opinion - Toyota transmission are nothing special. Of course they rarely failed in light cars with anemic engines. Toyota got into the automatic transmission business by buying a company that started out as a joint venture with Borg-Warner. There are possible many reasons why your mechanic has replaced only one Toyota transmission in 40 years. For the first 20+ years I'll bet he worked on very few Toyotas. A higher percentage of Toyotas are sold with manual transmission than with automatics (particularly true in the past), so this reduces the number of potential failures. Until recently, most Toyotas are sold with relatively low torque engines and light bodies - this is much easier on a transmission than a 350 in a Tahoe. It has only been in the last 15 years that there were a large population of automatic transmission Toyotas on the road at all. Very few transmissions fail in any manufacturer's vehicle, and mostly those failures occur at high mileage. So, until recently there have not been that many potential Toyota vehicles that might need a transmission replaced. Your expert mechanic might work in a shop that attracts very few Toyota owners. In my area (Raleigh, NC) it seems that Toyota owners gravitate towards shops that specialize in Toyotas. I would assume if your mechanic has worked at the same shop for 40 years, for a significant period of time, they saw very few Toyotas at all. I'll bet your mechanic has never replaced a transmission in a Trabant. Does that imply that they are even better than Toyota transmissions? I have personal knowledge of three people that had problems with Toyota transmission (myself, my SO, and a neighbor). Too bad your mechanic wasn't around to fix them. Your mechanic might enjoy reading the following references: http://en.allexperts.com/q/Toyota-Repair-832/transmission-failure.htm http://www.tundrasolutions.com/forums/sequoia/55799-2002-sequoia-transmission-failure/ http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30586 http://yotarepair.com/Transmission.html http://www.lemonlawclaims.com/toyota_avalon_transmission_problem.htm http://us.lexusownersclub.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=28020&view=getlastpost http://www.cartrackers.com/Forums/live/Toyota/678.html Of course you can get the same sort of references for GM, or Nissan, or Ford transmissions as well. I couldn't find any references to Trabant Automatic Transmission failures, so I'll assume they are the best. I probably shouldn't pick on you, but I get tired of people implying that Toyotas are somehow super special vehicles that last forever and never have problems. I been around too many broken Toyota to swallow this. Ed
From: Smitty Two on 5 Jul 2007 10:16 In article <468cf745$1(a)kcnews01>, "C. E. White" <cewhite3(a)removemindspring.com> wrote: > "Smitty Two" <prestwhich(a)earthlink.net> wrote in message > news:prestwhich-FD600E.05335605072007(a)news.phx.highwinds-media.com... > > In article <468cd68c$1(a)kcnews01>, > > "C. E. White" <cewhite3(a)removemindspring.com> wrote: > > > >> "Smitty Two" <prestwhich(a)earthlink.net> wrote in message > >> news:prestwhich-FBEE4E.07282704072007(a)news.phx.highwinds-media.com... > >> > >> >> Honda threw away a BUNCH of their reputation in those two > >> >> fiascos. > >> > > >> > OTOH, my mechanic, after *40 years* of fixing cars, replaced his > >> > *first* > >> > Toyota transmission last year. > >> > >> And this proves what? That nobody owned Toyotas for 35 years? That > >> your mechanic worked mostly on American cars? That most Toyota > >> owners > >> take their cars to the dealer for service? I had one Toyota with a > >> crapped out automatic. One of my neighbors had to rebuild the > >> transmission in his Toyota truck twice. None of this proves > >> anything. > >> > >> Ed > > > > Have another cup of coffee, Ed. I wasn't trying to "prove" anything. > > Did > > I attempt to draw a *single* conclusion from this *single* anecdotal > > data point? No. > > You were implying a conclusion, i.e. - "My mechanic has only replaced > one Toyota Transmission in 40 years, so they must be really good." > You might not have explicitly made the claim, but you sure implied it. > > > But since you want to tussle, I'll say this: My mechanic, who's more > > competent than any twelve average mechanics combined, thinks that > > Toyota > > transmissions are the best god damn transmissions money can buy, > > period. > > Now, you wanna argue with him, go talk to him, not me. > > You must be a journalist in real life. This is the sort of reporting > journalist do all the time - "according to a highly intelligent, well > placed, double secret source, Toyota Transmission are the best." > > I am not sure what you mean when you say - "My mechanic, who's more > competent than any twelve average mechanics combined." Can he do more > work in a given time period that 12 average mechanics? Does he know > more than the combined knowledge of 12 average mechanics? I assume you > mean the latter, which really doesn't imply much because I assume that > the combined knowledge of 12 average mechanics is not that much > greater than one average mechanic. Most of what one average mechanic > knows, another average mechanic knows as well. The combined knowledge > of 12 average mechanics is probably only 25% more than the knowledge > of any single average mechanic. I'd be a lot more impressed with the > opinion of your mechanic if he worked in a lab that tested > transmissions. > > Here is my opinion - Toyota transmission are nothing special. Of > course they rarely failed in light cars with anemic engines. Toyota > got into the automatic transmission business by buying a company that > started out as a joint venture with Borg-Warner. > > There are possible many reasons why your mechanic has replaced only > one Toyota transmission in 40 years. For the first 20+ years I'll bet > he worked on very few Toyotas. A higher percentage of Toyotas are > sold with manual transmission than with automatics (particularly true > in the past), so this reduces the number of potential failures. Until > recently, most Toyotas are sold with relatively low torque engines and > light bodies - this is much easier on a transmission than a 350 in a > Tahoe. It has only been in the last 15 years that there were a large > population of automatic transmission Toyotas on the road at all. Very > few transmissions fail in any manufacturer's vehicle, and mostly those > failures occur at high mileage. So, until recently there have not been > that many potential Toyota vehicles that might need a transmission > replaced. Your expert mechanic might work in a shop that attracts very > few Toyota owners. In my area (Raleigh, NC) it seems that Toyota > owners gravitate towards shops that specialize in Toyotas. I would > assume if your mechanic has worked at the same shop for 40 years, for > a significant period of time, they saw very few Toyotas at all. > > I'll bet your mechanic has never replaced a transmission in a Trabant. > Does that imply that they are even better than Toyota transmissions? I > have personal knowledge of three people that had problems with Toyota > transmission (myself, my SO, and a neighbor). Too bad your mechanic > wasn't around to fix them. Your mechanic might enjoy reading the > following references: > > http://en.allexperts.com/q/Toyota-Repair-832/transmission-failure.htm > http://www.tundrasolutions.com/forums/sequoia/55799-2002-sequoia-transmission- > failure/ > http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30586 > http://yotarepair.com/Transmission.html > http://www.lemonlawclaims.com/toyota_avalon_transmission_problem.htm > http://us.lexusownersclub.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=28020&view=getlastpos > t > http://www.cartrackers.com/Forums/live/Toyota/678.html > > Of course you can get the same sort of references for GM, or Nissan, > or Ford transmissions as well. I couldn't find any references to > Trabant Automatic Transmission failures, so I'll assume they are the > best. > > I probably shouldn't pick on you, but I get tired of people implying > that Toyotas are somehow super special vehicles that last forever and > never have problems. I been around too many broken Toyota to swallow > this. > > Ed Well, you know more than I do on the topic, obviously, and as one who values logic and reason and scorns fake science, I applaud your adherence to the rules of reason. I'm only going to say one more thing: Implication and inference are two different animals. If you inferred something from what I wrote, take responsibility for it. Don't go accusing me of implying it.
From: C. E. White on 5 Jul 2007 10:25 "Smitty Two" <prestwhich(a)earthlink.net> wrote in message news:prestwhich-CC72CC.07164705072007(a)news.phx.highwinds-media.com... > Implication and inference are two different animals. If you inferred > something from what I wrote, take responsibility for it. Don't go > accusing me of implying it. So your reason for posting the little tid bit was ....? You weren't trying to imply anything? You were hoping that people would infer that Toyota transmission were great? I might not understand the fine distinction between infer and imply, but I know BS when I see it. Ed
From: Ray O on 5 Jul 2007 11:48
"Edwin Pawlowski" <esp(a)snet.net> wrote in message news:C03ji.1484$eY.997(a)newssvr13.news.prodigy.net... > > "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >> >> All indications are that the batteries do not wear out. > > Sure. > > "Life of the car" for my use is 15 years and 200,000 miles. When they > prove that, I'll buy one. This probably does not count as "proof," but here is some information on Prius battery life. Here is a story about a Prius in taxi service with over 200,000 miles: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8839690/ According to this page on Toyota's web site, Toyota has not sold a single battery pack replacement due to wear and tear since the Prius went on sale in 2000: http://www.toyota.com/about/environment/technology/2004/hybrid.html Here is Road & Track's take on whether it is cost-effective to replace the battery pack in a worst-case scenario where it has to be replaced after 8 years when the warranty expires: http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=19&article_id=1183 -- Ray O (correct punctuation to reply) |