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From: Bill Putney on 4 Jul 2007 09:33 Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote: > In article <5f1c31F3ald6iU1(a)mid.individual.net>, > Bill Putney <bptn(a)kinez.net> wrote: > > >>And your hit on resale will be very big because potential buyers (the >>conscious ones anyway) will factor in the essential certainty that they >>will need to replace the batteries shortly down the road. > > > Just like potential buyers will factor in the essential certainty that > they will have a very expensive transmission repair on any other car. That's BS. There is a *small* chance that there will be a major tranny problem on a given used car - yes, it is a risk, just as there is a risk that you'll walk outside and get run over by a truck, but nowhere near a certainty. Yet the batteries have a very understood *finite* life. You're really reaching with that argument. Bill Putney (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my address with the letter 'x')
From: Jeff on 4 Jul 2007 10:13 Bill Putney wrote: > Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote: >> In article <5f1c31F3ald6iU1(a)mid.individual.net>, >> Bill Putney <bptn(a)kinez.net> wrote: >> >> >>> And your hit on resale will be very big because potential buyers (the >>> conscious ones anyway) will factor in the essential certainty that >>> they will need to replace the batteries shortly down the road. >> >> >> Just like potential buyers will factor in the essential certainty that >> they will have a very expensive transmission repair on any other car. > > That's BS. There is a *small* chance that there will be a major tranny > problem on a given used car - yes, it is a risk, just as there is a risk > that you'll walk outside and get run over by a truck, but nowhere near a > certainty. Yet the batteries have a very understood *finite* life. > You're really reaching with that argument. If it is so well understood, why don't you give us some references about the life of a battery pack? Transmissions, engines, people - all have finite life times, too. Jeff > Bill Putney > (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my > address with the letter 'x')
From: dold on 4 Jul 2007 10:49 In alt.autos.ford Sean Elkins <sean_elkins(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > I will confess to being surprised by the interior volume figures you > posted. I would never have dreamed the Prius has more interior room than > a Corolla. It certainly doesn't look that way on the outside. It certainly does look that way for the current model. The first model could be visually compared to a Corolla, but not the current one. > Unlike the average consumer, I actually prefer to buy the stripped down > models with manual transmissions, crank windows and manual locks. My new Then you are ahead already. You aren't driving a comparable vehicle. You could save even more money by buying used, maybe a rental or fleet return. On the other hand, the hybrids tend to be factory loaded with what are options on the other vehicles, making "as equipped" comparisons slant in favor of the hybrid. Honda does that on the Civic. For my 2003, the only option was 5 speed or CVT, and that disappeared the following year. There was no sunroof option. Anything else was "standard". Taking less profit on those things that are high markup options allows a finer margin on the expensive hybrid parts. Ford seems to have a range of options for the Escape Hybrid. But I don't think anyone buys the stripped models. A couple of Ford dealers in this area had stripped hybrids available when there was a waiting list for the nominally and fully equipped models. -- Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley Lake, CA, USA GPS: 38.8,-122.5
From: dold on 4 Jul 2007 10:59 In alt.autos.ford Bill Putney <bptn(a)kinez.net> wrote: > You can subtract the $787.50 from the savings because *somenone* (the > taxapyer) pays for that. Only if yuou ar a liberal do you ignore such > costs. Only if there were no hybrids. I would like to thank you for paying your portion of my rebate, but the source of it doesn't affect the fit in my pocket. I think of it along the same lines as the development cost for Velcro, also funded by the taxpayer. > Also I question your depreciatrion point, especially if the battery pak > has not been replaced before you put it on the used market. The used car > market will be sure to (and should) factor that in. The used car market doesn't seem to be down on the hybrids. The battery packs are not a factor yet, and they might never be. Given the conservative state of charge that is maintained, they might never go bad. In 11 states they have a 10 year warranty. Eventually, there should be an aftermarket supply. It's only D-cell batteries. In the case of the Honda, they aren't even high capacity, a total of $863 to replace them all. -- Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley Lake, CA, USA GPS: 38.8,-122.5
From: dold on 4 Jul 2007 11:10
In alt.autos.ford Elmo P. Shagnasty <elmop(a)nastydesigns.com> wrote: > Ford licenses Toyota's HSD, do they not? not. There is payment on some number of patents that might be infringing, but there is no outright re-use of anything that belongs to Toyota. The original Ford design work was done by Volvo, and acquired with that company. -- Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley Lake, CA, USA GPS: 38.8,-122.5 |