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From: DH on 2 Jul 2007 15:43 "Fred" <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in message news:df127c62fb385876500f68f0791898d6(a)pseudo.borked.net... > Wall Street Journal > > "...this [CAFE] debate is a test of who has more clout in today's > Democratic Congress -- the men and women who work in American > factories, or the affluent greens on both coasts who can afford to pay > a premium to own a Prius to indulge their concern about global warming." > > complete article: http://curio.us/8h As if the WSJ cares about the men and women who work in American factories... ROTFLOL By the way, cutting fuel consumption: - Helps hold back increases in global CO2 levels and, probably, helps check global warming. - Improves our balance of trade (since much of our oil is imported). - Reduces funds available to terrorists and dictators. Even if you don't think GW is a real threat, the other two problems certainly are. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
From: Sean Elkins on 3 Jul 2007 08:48 In article <elmop-FC1E79.07414103072007(a)nntp1.usenetserver.com>, "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop(a)nastydesigns.com> wrote: > In article <5eukqtF3a8nrdU2(a)mid.individual.net>, > Bill Putney <bptn(a)kinez.net> wrote: > > > > Most of the people I know drive something like a Chevy Silverado that > > > costs > > > as much as 2 Priuses. > > > > ...because those other vehicles are a better value over their useful lives. > > How so? I just bought a new Corolla (5-speed) that gets 32-41 mpg and I paid $14,400 on the road for it. I couldn't have gotten nearly the same discount on a Prius (msrp $22,175)) and at current gas prices the Prius wouldn't save the equivalent cost in gas to make up the difference in price over their useful lives. I can't say that about the Silverado, but I also know you can't haul 55 10 ft. 2X4's in a Prius. I'm all about reducing the amount of oil we import, but the hybrid is a poor solution to our problem of reliance on foreign energy sources.
From: Jeff on 3 Jul 2007 09:02 Sean Elkins wrote: > In article <elmop-FC1E79.07414103072007(a)nntp1.usenetserver.com>, > "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop(a)nastydesigns.com> wrote: > >> In article <5eukqtF3a8nrdU2(a)mid.individual.net>, >> Bill Putney <bptn(a)kinez.net> wrote: >> >>>> Most of the people I know drive something like a Chevy Silverado that >>>> costs >>>> as much as 2 Priuses. >>> ...because those other vehicles are a better value over their useful lives. >> How so? > > I just bought a new Corolla (5-speed) that gets 32-41 mpg and I paid > $14,400 on the road for it. I couldn't have gotten nearly the same > discount on a Prius (msrp $22,175)) and at current gas prices the Prius > wouldn't save the equivalent cost in gas to make up the difference in > price over their useful lives. But, the cars have different options. A better comparison might have been comparing a Camry and Prius. It is easier to compare the Honda Civic and Honda Civic Hybrid. Jeff > I can't say that about the Silverado, but I also know you can't haul 55 > 10 ft. 2X4's in a Prius. > > I'm all about reducing the amount of oil we import, but the hybrid is a > poor solution to our problem of reliance on foreign energy sources.
From: C. E. White on 3 Jul 2007 09:09 "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:INrii.3127$fw2.2179(a)trnddc04... > But, the cars have different options. A better comparison might have > been comparing a Camry and Prius. Why not a Camry and a Camry Hybrid? Ed
From: Jeff on 3 Jul 2007 09:27
C. E. White wrote: > "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:INrii.3127$fw2.2179(a)trnddc04... > >> But, the cars have different options. A better comparison might have >> been comparing a Camry and Prius. > > Why not a Camry and a Camry Hybrid? > > Ed I forgot they made one. The Camry Hybrid and Camry XLE seem pretty comparable in price and options, if you go with CVT with both. The XLE with the most expensive package is about $2k less than the Hybrid with the most expensive package or about 5% or 6% of the cost of the vehicle. That works comparing the top of the line vehicles, but if you don't want all those options, you're still stuck buying a lot of them with the hybrid. Jeff |