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From: Jeff Strickland on 17 Sep 2009 12:51 "a" <a(a)thisisnotmyrealemail.com> wrote in message news:Z7ssm.44237$Db2.40699(a)edtnps83... > Mike wrote: >> I'm no Toyota fanatic but that story sounds fishy to me. >> >> I the first place what Toyota can reach 120 MPH, except while going down >> a >> mountain? >> >> In the second place EVERY vehicle has more brake HP than engine HP. > > > I think you have an errant view on what brake horsepower is: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horsepower#Brake_horsepower > > Plus, plenty of Toyotas have top speeds rated above 120MPh, but the Lexus > ES quoted in the article can do north of 140MPh. > > a I think you're right on both counts -- The Lexus can exceed 120mph, and Brake Horsepower is not a reflection of the power of the braking system. But, I think you miss the point, the brakes should be able to drag the car down to a managable speed so that the target one selects to finally make it stop is not so traumatic as drilling the car into a cliff, or off a cliff. If the brakes can drag the car down to 30, say, and then the ignition is cut, the resulting heavy pressure on the brake pedal will surely cause the passengers to be launched through the windshield if they are not restrained by seat belts. Certainly, the brakes will be vary hot, and might even require major service at the end of the day, but I just do not understand how a trained CHP Officer would have so much trouble with this car. Grandma might not deal with the same issues very well, but for some reason I think CHP officers are trained in high speed pursuit that ought to include high speed stopping. There are far too many fishy "facts" to this story.
From: ben91932 on 17 Sep 2009 13:24 On Sep 17, 7:14 am, "Mike" <mikehu...(a)lycos.com> wrote: > I'm no Toyota fanatic but that story sounds fishy to me. > > I the first place what Toyota can reach 120 MPH, except while going down a > mountain? He *was* going down a mountain. I live nearby and have driven that grade many times.. even lost a master cylinder going down it several years back... very scary... It's a steep downhill coming off a long straight highway ending into a 't' intersection, with a creek bed on the other side. I have a Highlander with a similar engine (270ish HP v6) and have done 110 down that hill with throttle left over. The ES350 has a governed top speed of 131mph. > In the second place EVERY vehicle has more brake HP than engine HP. If you > doubt that floor the throttle on YOUR vehicle and apply the foot brake with > you left foot and take note of what happens. ;) The car strains and slows a little until the brakes overheat and fade away. I still dont know why he didnt just slip it into nuetral and let the engine scream...(or even if the car would let him..) Very sad situation...
From: a on 17 Sep 2009 13:42 Jeff Strickland wrote: > "a" <a(a)thisisnotmyrealemail.com> wrote in message > news:Z7ssm.44237$Db2.40699(a)edtnps83... >> Mike wrote: >>> I'm no Toyota fanatic but that story sounds fishy to me. >>> >>> I the first place what Toyota can reach 120 MPH, except while going down >>> a >>> mountain? >>> >>> In the second place EVERY vehicle has more brake HP than engine HP. >> >> I think you have an errant view on what brake horsepower is: >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horsepower#Brake_horsepower >> >> Plus, plenty of Toyotas have top speeds rated above 120MPh, but the Lexus >> ES quoted in the article can do north of 140MPh. >> >> a > > I think you're right on both counts -- The Lexus can exceed 120mph, and > Brake Horsepower is not a reflection of the power of the braking system. > > But, I think you miss the point, the brakes should be able to drag the car > down to a managable speed so that the target one selects to finally make it > stop is not so traumatic as drilling the car into a cliff, or off a cliff. > If the brakes can drag the car down to 30, say, and then the ignition is > cut, the resulting heavy pressure on the brake pedal will surely cause the > passengers to be launched through the windshield if they are not restrained > by seat belts. Certainly, the brakes will be vary hot, and might even > require major service at the end of the day, but I just do not understand > how a trained CHP Officer would have so much trouble with this car. Grandma > might not deal with the same issues very well, but for some reason I think > CHP officers are trained in high speed pursuit that ought to include high > speed stopping. > > There are far too many fishy "facts" to this story. > I know, I just thought I'd point out the factual errors. I agree on the fishy smell. Turn the ignition back to "Acc" or whatever it's called on that car? Brake hard - pull up the emerg./parking brake? a
From: a on 17 Sep 2009 13:44 a wrote: > Jeff Strickland wrote: >> "a" <a(a)thisisnotmyrealemail.com> wrote in message >> news:Z7ssm.44237$Db2.40699(a)edtnps83... >>> Mike wrote: >>>> I'm no Toyota fanatic but that story sounds fishy to me. >>>> >>>> I the first place what Toyota can reach 120 MPH, except while going down >>>> a >>>> mountain? >>>> >>>> In the second place EVERY vehicle has more brake HP than engine HP. >>> I think you have an errant view on what brake horsepower is: >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horsepower#Brake_horsepower >>> >>> Plus, plenty of Toyotas have top speeds rated above 120MPh, but the Lexus >>> ES quoted in the article can do north of 140MPh. >>> >>> a >> I think you're right on both counts -- The Lexus can exceed 120mph, and >> Brake Horsepower is not a reflection of the power of the braking system. >> >> But, I think you miss the point, the brakes should be able to drag the car >> down to a managable speed so that the target one selects to finally make it >> stop is not so traumatic as drilling the car into a cliff, or off a cliff. >> If the brakes can drag the car down to 30, say, and then the ignition is >> cut, the resulting heavy pressure on the brake pedal will surely cause the >> passengers to be launched through the windshield if they are not restrained >> by seat belts. Certainly, the brakes will be vary hot, and might even >> require major service at the end of the day, but I just do not understand >> how a trained CHP Officer would have so much trouble with this car. Grandma >> might not deal with the same issues very well, but for some reason I think >> CHP officers are trained in high speed pursuit that ought to include high >> speed stopping. >> >> There are far too many fishy "facts" to this story. >> > > > I know, I just thought I'd point out the factual errors. I agree on the > fishy smell. Turn the ignition back to "Acc" or whatever it's called on > that car? Brake hard - pull up the emerg./parking brake? > > a PS - Or as "ben91932" points out - just plonk it in neutral. Was the CHP officer driving?
From: hls on 17 Sep 2009 14:03
"a" <a(a)thisisnotmyrealemail.com> wrote in message news:Z7ssm.44237$Db2.40699(a)edtnps83... > Mike wrote: >> I'm no Toyota fanatic but that story sounds fishy to me. >> >> I the first place what Toyota can reach 120 MPH, except while going down >> a >> mountain? >> >> In the second place EVERY vehicle has more brake HP than engine HP. I dont know how fast our Avalon would go, but it has a good tranny and 268 horsepower to pull it. Speedometer indicates 160, but I have no idea how fast you could really push it. |