From: JoeSpareBedroom on 8 Sep 2009 12:33 "C. E. White" <cewhite3(a)removemindspring.com> wrote in message news:4aa684ef(a)kcnews01... > > "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote in message > news:ELupm.413125$Ta5.24362(a)newsfe15.iad... >> "C. E. White" <cewhite3(a)removemindspring.com> wrote in message >> news:4aa676cd$1(a)kcnews01... >>> >>> "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote in message >>> news:Biupm.413121$Ta5.188287(a)newsfe15.iad... >>> >>>>> The fact is, Germany has a socialized medical system that is failing. >>>>> It is subsidized (at the least) by government money, and Germany >>>>> itself says it cannot sustain the system as it is currently >>>>> structured. >>>> >>>> >>>> We can't sustain OUR system either, as it is currently structured, and >>>> for most of us, there is no government involvement. >>>> >>>> If you had to buy your own policy with no contribution from your >>>> employer or any other source, what would that cost you? I mean YOU, in >>>> California. >>> >>> Our current medical system is rotten. I jsut got a routine physical with >>> routine lab tests. I paid nothing to the my Doctor. My Doctor and his >>> lab billed the insurance comapny for almost $600. Theinsurance company >>> paid slightly over $200. I am to be charged nothing else. If I did not >>> have insurance, I would have been billed $600. This is just plain >>> crooked. >>> >>> In the last year, my portion of the the insurance premium has been over >>> $3,600. That is to cover me and my two sons. My Employer is kicking in >>> an even larger amout (probably over $6k). For my entire family for the >>> last decade (10 years), I doubt we have had more than $4,000 in total >>> medical expenses (including my sons broken hand). I estimate payment for >>> medical coverage by me and my employer for that time are close to >>> $80,000. Where is all that other money going? Based on the payment >>> informtion they send me, it is not going to the doctors. I know that >>> other individuals/families probably require higher outlays from the >>> insurance company than my family, but still...the current system is >>> ridiculous. >>> >>> My plan is simple - either National Healtcare, or execute anyone that >>> tries to sell mediacal insurance.... >>> >>> Ed >>> >>> >> >> >> What state is this in? > > I am in NC. > > Ed Count your blessings. I'm in Western NY (mostly rural, a few small-to-medium cities). If I buy directly from Blue Cross/Blue Shield or their competitor, it would cost me just over $600 a month for single person coverage. There are no other insurance options here, regardless of all the wacky looking offers I've seen via email, junk faxes, etc.
From: hls on 8 Sep 2009 15:28 "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrjeff(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message > It's hard to tell, but my sense is no. Why don't you study the issue and > get back to us. > > The fact is, Germany has a socialized medical system that is failing. It > is subsidized (at the least) by government money, and Germany itself says > it cannot sustain the system as it is currently structured. This is the situation as I understand it. Germany has universal health, which some equate with socialized medicine. Let's say for starters that it is the same. The taxation plan assumed that the working population would keep growing and would keep feeding the system, just as we figured about social security. (And if social security funds had actually been kept in a trust fund and invested, we would now have an excess estimated at $31 trillion). Germany had to absorb the East German problems after the reunification. This was a massive expense. Then, the working population has not been increasing as projected. So, there is a problem that will have to be dealt with. European style universal health really works quite well, but it is not free.. AND no government has any wealth other than what they take from the people in taxes. The worst conceivable system is one in which the pharma companies, the insurance companies, and the medicos are all hard nosed capitalists. We would all be captives under a system like that. Doctors all want to be paid as if they were Enron CEOs. Pharma companies want 98% gross earnings. And the insurance companies want our premium payments, but they dont want to pay claims. Now, somewhere between two extremes, there must be a way to make this work.
From: hls on 8 Sep 2009 16:46 "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote in message > > Count your blessings. I'm in Western NY (mostly rural, a few > small-to-medium cities). If I buy directly from Blue Cross/Blue Shield or > their competitor, it would cost me just over $600 a month for single > person coverage. There are no other insurance options here, regardless of > all the wacky looking offers I've seen via email, junk faxes, etc. In Texas, I paid $800 per month for a wife and a teener son. I was rushed to the hospital by ambulance one night, suspected stroke. The insurance company refused to pay anything. On another occasion, my wife had to go in for an MRI, and we went to the hospital that this insurance company specified. They paid nothing. All smoke and mirrors. All BS. If this is capitalism, you can have it. It stinks.
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 8 Sep 2009 22:24 On Tue, 08 Sep 2009 00:27:27 -0500, Ray O wrote: >> It ran horribly! The rear end shuddered badly. I didn't make it one >> mile, turned around and added the LSD additive. >> >> I think I used Castrol gear oil, and the GM additive. >> >> > I don't recall hearing any complaints with the factory fill, so I'm > guessing that the refills are the problem. I'd check with the dealership > to see what they use. Gordon told me about the GM stuff, and that he gets it for their techs.
From: E. Meyer on 9 Sep 2009 07:05
On 9/8/09 10:29 AM, in article ELupm.413125$Ta5.24362(a)newsfe15.iad, "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote: > "C. E. White" <cewhite3(a)removemindspring.com> wrote in message > news:4aa676cd$1(a)kcnews01... >> >> "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote in message >> news:Biupm.413121$Ta5.188287(a)newsfe15.iad... >> >>>> The fact is, Germany has a socialized medical system that is failing. It >>>> is subsidized (at the least) by government money, and Germany itself >>>> says it cannot sustain the system as it is currently structured. >>> >>> >>> We can't sustain OUR system either, as it is currently structured, and >>> for most of us, there is no government involvement. >>> >>> If you had to buy your own policy with no contribution from your employer >>> or any other source, what would that cost you? I mean YOU, in California. >> >> Our current medical system is rotten. I jsut got a routine physical with >> routine lab tests. I paid nothing to the my Doctor. My Doctor and his lab >> billed the insurance comapny for almost $600. Theinsurance company paid >> slightly over $200. I am to be charged nothing else. If I did not have >> insurance, I would have been billed $600. This is just plain crooked. >> >> In the last year, my portion of the the insurance premium has been over >> $3,600. That is to cover me and my two sons. My Employer is kicking in an >> even larger amout (probably over $6k). For my entire family for the last >> decade (10 years), I doubt we have had more than $4,000 in total medical >> expenses (including my sons broken hand). I estimate payment for medical >> coverage by me and my employer for that time are close to $80,000. Where >> is all that other money going? Based on the payment informtion they send >> me, it is not going to the doctors. I know that other individuals/families >> probably require higher outlays from the insurance company than my family, >> but still...the current system is ridiculous. >> >> My plan is simple - either National Healtcare, or execute anyone that >> tries to sell mediacal insurance.... >> >> Ed >> >> > > > What state is this in? > > I t could certainly be Texas. My numbers pretty much match Ed's. |