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From: C. E. White on 8 Sep 2009 11:21 "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote in message news:Biupm.413121$Ta5.188287(a)newsfe15.iad... >> The fact is, Germany has a socialized medical system that is >> failing. It is subsidized (at the least) by government money, and >> Germany itself says it cannot sustain the system as it is currently >> structured. > > > We can't sustain OUR system either, as it is currently structured, > and for most of us, there is no government involvement. > > If you had to buy your own policy with no contribution from your > employer or any other source, what would that cost you? I mean YOU, > in California. Our current medical system is rotten. I jsut got a routine physical with routine lab tests. I paid nothing to the my Doctor. My Doctor and his lab billed the insurance comapny for almost $600. Theinsurance company paid slightly over $200. I am to be charged nothing else. If I did not have insurance, I would have been billed $600. This is just plain crooked. In the last year, my portion of the the insurance premium has been over $3,600. That is to cover me and my two sons. My Employer is kicking in an even larger amout (probably over $6k). For my entire family for the last decade (10 years), I doubt we have had more than $4,000 in total medical expenses (including my sons broken hand). I estimate payment for medical coverage by me and my employer for that time are close to $80,000. Where is all that other money going? Based on the payment informtion they send me, it is not going to the doctors. I know that other individuals/families probably require higher outlays from the insurance company than my family, but still...the current system is ridiculous. My plan is simple - either National Healtcare, or execute anyone that tries to sell mediacal insurance.... Ed
From: JoeSpareBedroom on 8 Sep 2009 11:29 "C. E. White" <cewhite3(a)removemindspring.com> wrote in message news:4aa676cd$1(a)kcnews01... > > "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote in message > news:Biupm.413121$Ta5.188287(a)newsfe15.iad... > >>> The fact is, Germany has a socialized medical system that is failing. It >>> is subsidized (at the least) by government money, and Germany itself >>> says it cannot sustain the system as it is currently structured. >> >> >> We can't sustain OUR system either, as it is currently structured, and >> for most of us, there is no government involvement. >> >> If you had to buy your own policy with no contribution from your employer >> or any other source, what would that cost you? I mean YOU, in California. > > Our current medical system is rotten. I jsut got a routine physical with > routine lab tests. I paid nothing to the my Doctor. My Doctor and his lab > billed the insurance comapny for almost $600. Theinsurance company paid > slightly over $200. I am to be charged nothing else. If I did not have > insurance, I would have been billed $600. This is just plain crooked. > > In the last year, my portion of the the insurance premium has been over > $3,600. That is to cover me and my two sons. My Employer is kicking in an > even larger amout (probably over $6k). For my entire family for the last > decade (10 years), I doubt we have had more than $4,000 in total medical > expenses (including my sons broken hand). I estimate payment for medical > coverage by me and my employer for that time are close to $80,000. Where > is all that other money going? Based on the payment informtion they send > me, it is not going to the doctors. I know that other individuals/families > probably require higher outlays from the insurance company than my family, > but still...the current system is ridiculous. > > My plan is simple - either National Healtcare, or execute anyone that > tries to sell mediacal insurance.... > > Ed > > What state is this in?
From: . on 8 Sep 2009 11:43 "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote in message news:ELupm.413125$Ta5.24362(a)newsfe15.iad... > "C. E. White" <cewhite3(a)removemindspring.com> wrote in message > news:4aa676cd$1(a)kcnews01... > > > > "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote in message > > news:Biupm.413121$Ta5.188287(a)newsfe15.iad... > > > >>> The fact is, Germany has a socialized medical system that is failing. It > >>> is subsidized (at the least) by government money, and Germany itself > >>> says it cannot sustain the system as it is currently structured. > >> > >> > >> We can't sustain OUR system either, as it is currently structured, and > >> for most of us, there is no government involvement. > >> > >> If you had to buy your own policy with no contribution from your employer > >> or any other source, what would that cost you? I mean YOU, in California. > > > > Our current medical system is rotten. I jsut got a routine physical with > > routine lab tests. I paid nothing to the my Doctor. My Doctor and his lab > > billed the insurance comapny for almost $600. Theinsurance company paid > > slightly over $200. I am to be charged nothing else. If I did not have > > insurance, I would have been billed $600. This is just plain crooked. > > > > In the last year, my portion of the the insurance premium has been over > > $3,600. That is to cover me and my two sons. My Employer is kicking in an > > even larger amout (probably over $6k). For my entire family for the last > > decade (10 years), I doubt we have had more than $4,000 in total medical > > expenses (including my sons broken hand). I estimate payment for medical > > coverage by me and my employer for that time are close to $80,000. Where > > is all that other money going? Based on the payment informtion they send > > me, it is not going to the doctors. I know that other individuals/families > > probably require higher outlays from the insurance company than my family, > > but still...the current system is ridiculous. > > > > My plan is simple - either National Healtcare, or execute anyone that > > tries to sell mediacal insurance.... > > > > Ed > > > > > > > What state is this in? My guess is that Ed might be in Raleigh, NC.
From: Jeff Strickland on 8 Sep 2009 11:44 "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote in message news:Biupm.413121$Ta5.188287(a)newsfe15.iad... > "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrjeff(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:h85qmr$vmp$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >> >> "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote in message >> news:vHtpm.413117$Ta5.371680(a)newsfe15.iad... >>> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrjeff(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message >>> news:h85omo$fn2$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>> >>>> "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote in message >>>> news:Mljpm.156057$cf6.140612(a)newsfe16.iad... >>>>> >>>>> I never said Germany was a good example. There was no inference or >>>>> implied meaning of any kind. I simply pointed out that their system is >>>>> based on ".....universal coverage using private doctors, private >>>>> hospitals and private insurance plans", and that the Hack's use of the >>>>> work "government" was in error with regard to Germany. >>>>> >>>> >>>> And I'm telling you once again that Germany is a better example of >>>> Hachi's position than your. Germany's system is failing. It cannot be >>>> sustained under its current structure, and everybody has said so. >>>> Germany says it will take YEARS -- perhaps stretching into a decade or >>>> more -- to adress the problems and implement changes. >>>> >>>> Germany is an example of how badly something gets screwed up when the >>>> government takes over. >>> >>> >>> Did the problems begin BEFORE government stepped in to "help"? >>> >> >> It's hard to tell, but my sense is no. Why don't you study the issue and >> get back to us. > > > I have the same sense: The trouble began before the government stepped in. > In other words, I'm agreeing with you. > You confuse yourself more than anybody I've ever met. You asked if the trouble started BEFORE the government came along. I said NO. That means I think the trouble came AFTER the government started "helping". The systerm was what it was, and the government came along and made it different, and then the trouble started. Noow the government is running out of money trying to keep the system afloat.
From: C. E. White on 8 Sep 2009 12:21
"JoeSpareBedroom" <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote in message news:ELupm.413125$Ta5.24362(a)newsfe15.iad... > "C. E. White" <cewhite3(a)removemindspring.com> wrote in message > news:4aa676cd$1(a)kcnews01... >> >> "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote in message >> news:Biupm.413121$Ta5.188287(a)newsfe15.iad... >> >>>> The fact is, Germany has a socialized medical system that is >>>> failing. It is subsidized (at the least) by government money, and >>>> Germany itself says it cannot sustain the system as it is >>>> currently structured. >>> >>> >>> We can't sustain OUR system either, as it is currently structured, >>> and for most of us, there is no government involvement. >>> >>> If you had to buy your own policy with no contribution from your >>> employer or any other source, what would that cost you? I mean >>> YOU, in California. >> >> Our current medical system is rotten. I jsut got a routine physical >> with routine lab tests. I paid nothing to the my Doctor. My Doctor >> and his lab billed the insurance comapny for almost $600. >> Theinsurance company paid slightly over $200. I am to be charged >> nothing else. If I did not have insurance, I would have been billed >> $600. This is just plain crooked. >> >> In the last year, my portion of the the insurance premium has been >> over $3,600. That is to cover me and my two sons. My Employer is >> kicking in an even larger amout (probably over $6k). For my entire >> family for the last decade (10 years), I doubt we have had more >> than $4,000 in total medical expenses (including my sons broken >> hand). I estimate payment for medical coverage by me and my >> employer for that time are close to $80,000. Where is all that >> other money going? Based on the payment informtion they send me, it >> is not going to the doctors. I know that other individuals/families >> probably require higher outlays from the insurance company than my >> family, but still...the current system is ridiculous. >> >> My plan is simple - either National Healtcare, or execute anyone >> that tries to sell mediacal insurance.... >> >> Ed >> >> > > > What state is this in? I am in NC. Ed |